I understand your position. You want to probe the possibility that Graendal is still alive. But you've done so (over enough threads that viewing the purpose of this one as anything less than another go at pushing your theory is hard to say the least), and there's really nothing you've come up with thus far that points to her being ALIVE.
As a proponent of a theory, the burden of proof lies upon you. That means, if you want to take the position that Graendal lives, you need to give some pretty convincing evidence. Everything so far is circumstantial.
As for the "obvious discrepancies", I suggested that perhaps Graendal moved her lair (which is 100% in line with her personality, given that she considers that Sammael may still live and therefore that her old lair might be compromised). If you wish to state that there is an "obvious discrepancy", then you should consider that they might NOT mean that "something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death".
I think that I should point out here that I would find Graendal's survival a pleasant (though frankly unbelievable) surprise. I was kind of sad that she didn't get a proper on-screen death, but at the same time, Rand really did pull an unexpected move, unlike anything he'd ever done before, and I have no issue with how events played out. Everything seems entirely believable to me. The only bit that was slightly off was finding the lair in the first place, which relied on Ta'veren (a concept which I live with, but is annoying like Deus Ex Machina). To claim that Graendal set this up is beyond plausibility (plus if Kerb was a plant, why not consider the possibility that Moridin planted him to lead Rand to Graendal?).
I've given up hope of dampening your efforts to push this debate further. Even if you do find one or two inexplicable plot holes (and none that you have pointed out so far are close to inexplicable), what's the point?
As a proponent of a theory, the burden of proof lies upon you. That means, if you want to take the position that Graendal lives, you need to give some pretty convincing evidence. Everything so far is circumstantial.
As for the "obvious discrepancies", I suggested that perhaps Graendal moved her lair (which is 100% in line with her personality, given that she considers that Sammael may still live and therefore that her old lair might be compromised). If you wish to state that there is an "obvious discrepancy", then you should consider that they might NOT mean that "something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death".
Your reaction alone really makes me hope she is alive, just so I can laugh at you later
I think that I should point out here that I would find Graendal's survival a pleasant (though frankly unbelievable) surprise. I was kind of sad that she didn't get a proper on-screen death, but at the same time, Rand really did pull an unexpected move, unlike anything he'd ever done before, and I have no issue with how events played out. Everything seems entirely believable to me. The only bit that was slightly off was finding the lair in the first place, which relied on Ta'veren (a concept which I live with, but is annoying like Deus Ex Machina). To claim that Graendal set this up is beyond plausibility (plus if Kerb was a plant, why not consider the possibility that Moridin planted him to lead Rand to Graendal?).
I've given up hope of dampening your efforts to push this debate further. Even if you do find one or two inexplicable plot holes (and none that you have pointed out so far are close to inexplicable), what's the point?
Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death
13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM
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I don't see problems
13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM
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"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get!
13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM
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I don't think so.
14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM
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so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM
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Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years?
14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM
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you mean the scouts he sent?
14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM
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He used scouts to find the place?
14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM
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Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM*
14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM
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seems like pretty big differences
14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM
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Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM
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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael.
14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
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Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised?
14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM
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Any number of things are possible
14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM
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You don't get it.
14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM
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Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said
14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM
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There aren't, really.
14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM
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so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle
14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM
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Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name
15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM
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There are infinite possibilities
15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM
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She's dead, people need to move on. *NM*
14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM
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I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead
14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM
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Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone.
14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM
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The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long...
15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM
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I'm glad...
15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM
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I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM*
16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM
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Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved?
16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM
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I think that I have my names mixed up....
16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM
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Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM*
16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM
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