So, I was driving home from work, and I started aimlessly pondering what a meetup between Rand and Egwene would look like if it happened next book.
And I got... really pissed. Like, super pissed.
Because I know, I just KNOW, that's it's going to go something like:
Ambassador Aes Sedai: To Rand Al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn: The Amyrlin Seat requests your attendance upon her so as to discuss blah blah blah
Rand: *roll eyes* Sure, whatever. *Travels to the Tower* Egwene, can we get some work done?
Egwene: How DARE you not show the Amyrlin Seat the respect she deserves! No Aes Sedai will serve you unless you blah blah blah blah blah
It'd totally be in character for her, or at least the general sentiment. And I just got so pissed off thinking about how when Rand was the Dragon and she was just a little dream apprentice, she NEVER showed him respect, on the grounds of "puncturing his ego" but really because she was kind of a bitch.
And you just KNOW that if Rand (or any other Two Rivers character) tries the same familiarity, they're going to get glared at, with a pompous speech for emphasis.
So yeah, thinking of that enraged me.
Then I thought, what if Sanderson goes the other way? The second most likely thing would be for Rand and Egwene to meet, and Egwene to immediately assume Rand would treat her the same way, and then make a big speech to him about how they've both grown, and how they need to work together, and she has a certain station now, and blah blah blah. Which is a good sentiment, but you just KNOW she'd say it in a way that ignores the fact that, again, she was a bitch to Rand.
And Sanderson would probably have Rand smile a rueful smile and go "Oh, just like old days, Egwene saying things before I can!"
So yeah, that enrages me as well.
Honestly, the only way a Rand/Egwene meeting would NOT enrage me would be as follows:
*Egwene Travels to wherever Rand is at the moment*
Egwene: Hey Rand? What's up?
Rand: Heyyyyy! Long time no see! I've been keeping busy. Cleansed the Source, lost a hand. You?
Egwene: I totally became Amyrlin Seat!
Rand: Hah! Awesome!
Egwene: Honestly, Aes Sedai are no different than the annoying villagers in the Council and Circle back home.
Rand: Yeah, Noblemen are mostly all Congers.
Egwene: OK! So, we gonna save the world?
Rand: Totally. I've got a few ideas on that- being the Dragon Reborn sort of makes you focus on that kinda stuff- but I'm open to some suggestions.
Egwene: Sweet. My girls have stiff necks, but I will slap them down if they think their pride is more important than saving the world. As long as our groups toss each other a bone now and then, we shouldn't have any problems.
Rand: Excellent! Now that we're working together, we are totally going to win this war.
THE END
That's the general gist. So, you can see why I'm pre-enraged; Can you honestly imagine Egwene ever being that casual, about anything, ever? Even Rhuarc and the other clan-chiefs used to crack a joke now and then.
And I got... really pissed. Like, super pissed.
Because I know, I just KNOW, that's it's going to go something like:
Ambassador Aes Sedai: To Rand Al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn: The Amyrlin Seat requests your attendance upon her so as to discuss blah blah blah
Rand: *roll eyes* Sure, whatever. *Travels to the Tower* Egwene, can we get some work done?
Egwene: How DARE you not show the Amyrlin Seat the respect she deserves! No Aes Sedai will serve you unless you blah blah blah blah blah
It'd totally be in character for her, or at least the general sentiment. And I just got so pissed off thinking about how when Rand was the Dragon and she was just a little dream apprentice, she NEVER showed him respect, on the grounds of "puncturing his ego" but really because she was kind of a bitch.
And you just KNOW that if Rand (or any other Two Rivers character) tries the same familiarity, they're going to get glared at, with a pompous speech for emphasis.
So yeah, thinking of that enraged me.
Then I thought, what if Sanderson goes the other way? The second most likely thing would be for Rand and Egwene to meet, and Egwene to immediately assume Rand would treat her the same way, and then make a big speech to him about how they've both grown, and how they need to work together, and she has a certain station now, and blah blah blah. Which is a good sentiment, but you just KNOW she'd say it in a way that ignores the fact that, again, she was a bitch to Rand.
And Sanderson would probably have Rand smile a rueful smile and go "Oh, just like old days, Egwene saying things before I can!"
So yeah, that enrages me as well.
Honestly, the only way a Rand/Egwene meeting would NOT enrage me would be as follows:
*Egwene Travels to wherever Rand is at the moment*
Egwene: Hey Rand? What's up?
Rand: Heyyyyy! Long time no see! I've been keeping busy. Cleansed the Source, lost a hand. You?
Egwene: I totally became Amyrlin Seat!
Rand: Hah! Awesome!
Egwene: Honestly, Aes Sedai are no different than the annoying villagers in the Council and Circle back home.
Rand: Yeah, Noblemen are mostly all Congers.
Egwene: OK! So, we gonna save the world?
Rand: Totally. I've got a few ideas on that- being the Dragon Reborn sort of makes you focus on that kinda stuff- but I'm open to some suggestions.
Egwene: Sweet. My girls have stiff necks, but I will slap them down if they think their pride is more important than saving the world. As long as our groups toss each other a bone now and then, we shouldn't have any problems.
Rand: Excellent! Now that we're working together, we are totally going to win this war.
THE END
That's the general gist. So, you can see why I'm pre-enraged; Can you honestly imagine Egwene ever being that casual, about anything, ever? Even Rhuarc and the other clan-chiefs used to crack a joke now and then.
What I want to see in this meeting is Rand confronting Egwene with all his LTT knowledge and experience. He will not allow her "righteous anger" get to him but respond in a cool tone and call her "little sister" and explain that he was the leader of AS in the AOL and has decided to resume his authority over all AS as the LB is looming. She can go and sit in the corner until he is ready to assign her duties to her. Hah!
God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM
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My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are.
- 14/02/2010 07:58:01 AM
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Re: My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are.
- 14/02/2010 09:26:47 AM
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Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor?
- 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM
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What? We are no longer allowed to make predictions of the coming books unless they're pro-Egwene?
- 14/02/2010 02:22:10 PM
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a theory vs. mindlessly attacking a character because you don't like them?
- 14/02/2010 07:00:27 PM
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It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go?
- 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM
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Is Egwene going to do what Elayne did when she met Rand after tearing down his banners?
- 15/02/2010 11:25:27 AM
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You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done....
- 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM
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Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake
- 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM
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No way these are fake... she's not BA and she she says she's having a Foretelling
- 14/02/2010 08:24:29 PM
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Good point. And the "rent in fire and blood" part is almost certain as well.
- 16/02/2010 05:13:29 PM
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Take a sedative
- 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM
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None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping
- 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM
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Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed
- 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM
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If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after...
- 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM
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Not really
- 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM
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Re: Not really
- 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM
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better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions!
- 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM
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This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve.
- 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM
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actually it's about all of the main characters
- 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM
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Re: actually it's about all of the main characters
- 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM
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Well said.
- 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM
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Re: Well said.
- 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM
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yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to
- 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM
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Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it?
- 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM
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watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon
- 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM
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Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon
- 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM
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Alright enough. Will you read the books already?
- 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM
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The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason
- 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM
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Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason
- 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM
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Yes, but Egwene's is pride -
- 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM
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I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none
- 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM
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Re: None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping
- 15/02/2010 05:08:49 AM
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It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 03:31:26 PM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM
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Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM*
- 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM
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Me. And I'm way smarter than you.
- 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM
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- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM
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- 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM
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Re:
- 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM
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- 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM
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Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main
- 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM
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Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main
- 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM
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Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour
- 15/02/2010 03:48:51 PM
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Sidious' problem in a nutshell.
- 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM
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Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM
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Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene
- 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM
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I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then
- 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM
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Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then
- 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM
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I don't think so
- 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM
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Re: I don't think so
- 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM
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That's pretty much how I see it too
- 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM
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I understood little sister to be a mild insult, Moiraine being so young and weak in the OP *NM*
- 16/02/2010 08:25:55 PM
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maybe a touch patronizing? *NM*
- 17/02/2010 12:51:25 PM
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Appears to be, but his thought process implies it's not as simple as him merely looking down on her. *NM*
- 17/02/2010 05:07:19 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand
- 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand
- 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM
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Cadsuane needs to spank her.
- 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM
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yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past
- 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM
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It would be a very amusing moment.
- 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM
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IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions
- 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM
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and a massive failure
- 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM
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What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower.
- 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM
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If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series
- 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM
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Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise
- 15/02/2010 09:23:47 PM
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When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it!
- 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM
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I meant that EVERYONE is bargaining, posturing, etc.
- 16/02/2010 02:54:29 AM
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Well miscommunication is one of the major themes of the series
- 16/02/2010 01:17:25 PM
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the most idiotic theme IMO
- 16/02/2010 03:27:26 PM
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I don't know if the theme itself is idoitic, but I would totally agree that it's gone nowhere!
- 17/02/2010 03:16:30 AM
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Re: Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise
- 18/02/2010 01:19:00 AM
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No, Cannoli has the right of it here.
- 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM
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Well, all those beatings were in private
- 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM
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That was the point of the scene in front of the Sitters during the banquet. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 06:58:50 PM
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Oh the one where Elaida tried to have her way with Egwene while the Sitters looked away?
*NM*
- 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM
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*NM*
- 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM
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Yes. Elaida wanted Egwene to be cowed in front of her into obedience, which would erode her support
- 23/02/2010 10:18:03 PM
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