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If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series Sidious Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM
Especially if she doesn't support the Dragon. She's like Treebeard at the Entmoot, thinking only of saving Fangorn forest instead of stopping Saruman and Sauron.


Which would make her as bad as everyone. Even the wretched Aiel only care about their remnant of a remnant, and every nation cares only about themselves with TG around the corner. Egwene is right to care only about the White Tower. When TG comes, she will fight behind Rand, but there is no reason for her to mobilize everyone to kneel before Rand at this stage.

While I think her plot line is important, and I'm glad its been shown in the series, I'm still disappointed by her character progression. Most of all, I think her lack of true humility simply makes her unlikeable.


She's second only to Rand as a progressive character. She's the Amyrlin Seat and she reunited the warring White Tower, and purged the Black Ajah. Those are legendary feats. What more do you want?
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God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:02:20 AM 2691 Views
My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 07:58:01 AM 1204 Views
Re: My sentiments exactly, though I think I'm a little more hopeful than you are. orius - 14/02/2010 09:26:47 AM 1005 Views
Just like Elayne treated him so well when she kicked him out of Andor? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:35:32 PM 854 Views
What? We are no longer allowed to make predictions of the coming books unless they're pro-Egwene? Lordling - 14/02/2010 02:22:10 PM 957 Views
a theory vs. mindlessly attacking a character because you don't like them? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 07:00:27 PM 947 Views
It IS kind of ridiculous... but how do YOU think a meeting will go? beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:20:08 PM 941 Views
We all do that darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:09:51 PM 1008 Views
Is Egwene going to do what Elayne did when she met Rand after tearing down his banners? Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:25:27 AM 1113 Views
You just KNOW that rather than compliment all the good he's done.... Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 03:06:09 PM 803 Views
Personally, I'm rooting for Elaida's Foretelling to be fake Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:56:41 PM 1101 Views
I thought she DID say "This I Foretell?" beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:24:19 PM 917 Views
Yes she did. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:34:43 PM 1147 Views
No way these are fake... she's not BA and she she says she's having a Foretelling darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:24:29 PM 986 Views
Good point. And the "rent in fire and blood" part is almost certain as well. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:13:29 PM 743 Views
Take a sedative Sidious - 14/02/2010 07:52:32 PM 979 Views
somethings we can agree on! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:12:05 PM 960 Views
None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 09:01:35 PM 949 Views
Right cause Nynaeve is always going around telling people how much Mat's changed darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:27:02 PM 956 Views
If you'll recall what Mat did 5 minutes after... beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 11:06:41 PM 982 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 11:34:49 PM 873 Views
Re: Not really Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:32:06 PM 889 Views
better than Nynaeve who just lies to herself in order to justify her actions! darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:53:17 PM 997 Views
This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:09:46 PM 912 Views
actually it's about all of the main characters darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:13:27 PM 884 Views
Re: actually it's about all of the main characters Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 06:39:25 PM 973 Views
Well said. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:20:47 PM 1011 Views
Re: Well said. Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 07:43:08 PM 843 Views
yet even Siuan seems to understand and accept Egwene's response ... odd that you can hold her to darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:55:35 AM 781 Views
Oh, so Elaida's treatment of Sheremin is ok because Sheremin accepted it? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:49:53 AM 939 Views
how is that a good comparrison? darius_sedai - 18/02/2010 12:27:58 AM 793 Views
Re: how is that a good comparrison? Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:30:21 AM 1265 Views
watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:51:09 AM 982 Views
Re: watch out that you don't fall when you jump on a bandwagon Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:04:08 AM 943 Views
Alright enough. Will you read the books already? fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 08:03:39 AM 995 Views
Fair points, & I somehow forgot that paragraph. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:34:12 PM 908 Views
You've forgotten a lot of paragraphs. fionwe1987 - 16/02/2010 07:58:32 PM 1020 Views
The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:34:30 AM 786 Views
Re: The point is people hold Egwene to a different standard for some reason Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:08:13 AM 888 Views
I'm going to agee with fionwe darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:07:37 PM 849 Views
Same old same old Sidious - 16/02/2010 02:01:12 PM 871 Views
that B*TCH! *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:10:30 AM 647 Views
Re: Same old same old orius - 17/02/2010 09:32:03 AM 997 Views
Yes, but Egwene's is pride - Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:04:25 PM 889 Views
I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:52:54 PM 880 Views
Re: I think Nyn has had the best character development, bar none Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:39:25 PM 906 Views
I feel Galad could be up there, but we see so little of him beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:28:44 AM 900 Views
are you being serious? darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 861 Views
Re: are you being serious? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:55:16 AM 962 Views
Oh, I don't think so. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 09:12:57 AM 848 Views
Re: This is about Egwene, not Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2010 10:57:27 PM 940 Views
Re: None of the Emond's Fielders suck up to him. There's difference between hostile and 1-upping orius - 15/02/2010 05:08:49 AM 919 Views
It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:53:30 AM 843 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:41:02 AM 1089 Views
this is hilarious darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:45:22 PM 860 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:31:26 PM 958 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:57:24 AM 1127 Views
Who says Egwene didn't have a destiny? *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:46:10 PM 530 Views
Me. And I'm way smarter than you. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 01:04:48 PM 947 Views
darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:12:26 PM 1006 Views
Re: Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:40:39 PM 869 Views
Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:32:45 AM 828 Views
Re: Min's viewing of the Darkness v. fireflies very obviously shows that all the main Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 07:09:52 AM 897 Views
You need a re-read my friend darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:14:22 PM 899 Views
Re: It amazes me that you use Rand as the gold standard for good behaviour Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:48:51 PM 1014 Views
Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:27:12 AM 985 Views
Re: Sidious' problem in a nutshell. Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:14:55 PM 940 Views
I've never understood the fascination with Lanfear darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:52:27 PM 957 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene Gerbeaud - 14/02/2010 07:56:23 PM 905 Views
Re: God I am so pissed off at Future Egwene BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 08:55:58 PM 849 Views
I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:59:26 PM 964 Views
Re: I'd venture the guess that it's what the called the Novices back then BlackAdder - 14/02/2010 09:24:23 PM 776 Views
I don't think so darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 09:30:41 PM 818 Views
Re: I don't think so Gerbeaud - 15/02/2010 03:45:52 PM 915 Views
That's pretty much how I see it too darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 05:54:14 PM 825 Views
I understood little sister to be a mild insult, Moiraine being so young and weak in the OP *NM* Lordling - 16/02/2010 08:25:55 PM 632 Views
maybe a touch patronizing? *NM* darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 12:51:25 PM 503 Views
Appears to be, but his thought process implies it's not as simple as him merely looking down on her. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/02/2010 05:07:19 PM 473 Views
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand Yondaime - 14/02/2010 08:05:40 PM 1048 Views
Re: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't be flattering for Rand lilltempest - 14/02/2010 11:55:40 PM 957 Views
Cadsuane needs to spank her. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 01:31:49 AM 943 Views
yeah, that's worked so well on her in the past darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 01:48:05 AM 873 Views
It would be a very amusing moment. Great Lord of Chaos - 15/02/2010 03:01:37 AM 829 Views
IMO it would merely be a hypocritical moment of massive proportions darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:45:27 AM 829 Views
and a massive failure Sidious - 15/02/2010 06:57:18 AM 975 Views
What Egwene needs is to be shown that her actions could harm the tower. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:46:30 AM 758 Views
Actually that role is being played by Covril at the Stump *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 02:13:42 PM 590 Views
If you hate arrogance, you must hate all the main characters in the series Sidious - 15/02/2010 03:21:48 PM 798 Views
But that's the point Cannoli - 15/02/2010 03:26:03 PM 873 Views
Not quite. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 07:11:56 PM 871 Views
Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:23:47 PM 788 Views
When has she ever actually done that? Rand thinks she will, but so far she's done nothing like it! darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 02:08:23 AM 916 Views
I meant that EVERYONE is bargaining, posturing, etc. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 02:54:29 AM 830 Views
Well miscommunication is one of the major themes of the series darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:17:25 PM 825 Views
the most idiotic theme IMO Sidious - 16/02/2010 03:27:26 PM 906 Views
I don't know if the theme itself is idoitic, but I would totally agree that it's gone nowhere! darius_sedai - 17/02/2010 03:16:30 AM 801 Views
Re: Everyone else is shown to be a bit small minded. Egwene is implied to be Strong And Wise Gerbeaud - 18/02/2010 01:19:00 AM 863 Views
Actually, you can't compare the two. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 12:04:19 PM 954 Views
No, Cannoli has the right of it here. lilltempest - 16/02/2010 06:22:39 PM 970 Views
Re: No, Cannoli has the right of it here. Lordling - 16/02/2010 06:51:28 PM 960 Views
Well, all those beatings were in private BlackAdder - 16/02/2010 07:54:00 PM 883 Views
That was the point of the scene in front of the Sitters during the banquet. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 06:58:50 PM 586 Views
Oh the one where Elaida tried to have her way with Egwene while the Sitters looked away? *NM* BlackAdder - 23/02/2010 10:12:04 PM 605 Views
Yes. Elaida wanted Egwene to be cowed in front of her into obedience, which would erode her support RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/02/2010 10:18:03 PM 929 Views
I actually think it will go the opposite way. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:44:19 PM 900 Views
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