I'd wanted to stay out of this whole ridiculous debate, but there should be limits to how much someone can misinterpret and frankly misrepresent a character.

Really? Either of those two would have stayed on the inside of the Tower as Novices and ended up with a united Tower?

No. Siuan was stilled. However wrong that was, by Tower law, that means she was not Aes Sedai for a time, and hence not Amyrlin. Which is why Siuan's motion to be raised Rebel Amyrlin was not accepted by the Rebel Hall.

And she's to know of the existence of booldknives how? Were you planning to step into the books and tell her?


She's not angry at Siuan for saving her life (since Siuan didn't do that anyway). She's angry because Siuan kidnapped her from the Tower despite express orders to the contrary.
Think of a similar situation with Rand. Say when Semirhage first attempted to capture him in KoD.
She blasts his hand, and he's unconscious. Say Nynaeve, Cadsuane and Logain decide to evacuate him from there immediately, Seanchan damane can go to hell. Do you think he'd have let them go with "you've angered me and lost my firm trust. Work to reduce the first and increase the second."?
Because that is all Egwene has done. She's told Siuan she's angry. She has ordered Bryne to take care of her. More, she has accepted that she herself was at fault too for not telling Siuan how good the situation in the Tower was, how likely her success. Not one other major character would have dissected their anger as Egwene did post-kidnap. And you call her immature... Kind of sounds like Elaida's silly refrain that Egwene was just a Novice!

She is better because she doesn't yell at Siuan, because she doesn't punish her in any way, because she simply tells Siuan that she is angry, and then carries on with Siuan as her ally. Notice who entered the Tower with Egwene once she won, and carried her message to the Rebels.
And she doesn't think why her order was disobeyed?
And it was a failure. Yes, it had been forced on her by others, but those others were her followers and friends. They would know her anger for their part in this fiasco. But first she needed to look inward, to judge what she should have done better.

Egwene had been as forceful as possible with Siuan during their meetings in Tel'aran'rhiod, and yet they'd still come against her wishes. Perhaps she had been too secretive. It was a danger—secrecy. It was what had pulled down Siuan. The woman's time as head of the Blue Ajah's eyes-and-ears had taught her to be parsimonious with information, doling it out like a stingy employer on payday. If the others had known the importance of Siuan's work, perhaps they wouldn't have decided to work against her.

Had she fallen into the same trap as Siuan? It was a danger. She had been trained by Siuan, after all. If Egwene had explained in more detail how well her work in the White Tower was going, would the others have stayed their hands?
It was a difficult line to walk. There were many secrets that an Amyrlin had to hold. To be transparent would be to lose her edge of authority. But with Siuan herself, Egwene should have been more
forthcoming. The woman was too accustomed to taking action on her own. The way she had kept that dream ter'angreal against the Hall's knowledge and wishes was an indication of that. Yet Egwene had
approved of that, unconsciously encouraging Siuan to defy authority.

Yes, Egwene had made mistakes. She could not lay all the blame on Siuan, Bryne and Gawyn. She had likely made other mistakes as well; she would need to look at her own actions in more detail later.

All these, in case it is not clear, are the thoughts, in the space of a few paragraphs, of Egwene al'Vere, the girl who, apparently, never has a single moment of introspection in the entire series!

Find me one time when Rand dissects a situation like this before assigning blame. You won't find one. Which is why the author doesn't show Egwene in a critical light. She has built herself to be what a great leader should be, what Rand needs to be, if he wishes to succeed.


Yes. She is right here because she is right, not because Siuan accepts her judgment.