Active Users:1666 Time:14/03/2026 01:32:54 PM
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? DomA Send a noteboard - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM
I have that but haven't gotten around to reading it.


Not that I recall.

He mentionned it in Lector in Fabula (or at least in the same book this essay was from, in the edition I have), and IRRC in a late 90s essay I only know as Six Promenades dans les bois du roman, and again in his recent essay on translation, Eco elaborates on the idea that attempting to abridge Monte Cristo, cut down all its disgressions and redundancies would deprieve it of devices meant to slow things down, intrisically necessary to the very concept of revenge, following the saying that it's a dish best eaten cold.

He's mentionned Monte Cristo in several interviews over the years, though essentially he reprises the same core ideas from his original essay each time : "One of the most fascinating novels of all times/one of the most badly written novels of all literatures and times". He discussed it in one of his "three musketeers" conferences with Salman Rushdie and Vargas Llosa too - they debated his claim that it was a "bad novel" for a while.

At the time of Foucault's Pendulum, he had spoken of its influence (and in a more general way, Dumas's) on that novel, thought that's so long ago I don't remember what he said about that.

Once, he spoke of the likes of Dantès and D'Artagnan in comparison to Emma Bovary and Julien Sorel, but I don't remember in which of his books that was. Essentially, he was fascinated with the fact that you can take Dantès and D'Artagnan out of Dumas, that these characters were myth and had a life of their own outside the novels they come from, and can exist in other stories (and Monte Cristo and D'Artagnan have inspired many other novels), but that in comparison without Flaubert's words, Emma Bovary was just another boring provincial adultress and Sorel just another ridiculous fool never doing what he should do. That Monte Cristo and similar popular literature (which for him is a return to Homer or Sophocles) was fascinating for its power to generate a myth independent of the artistic quality of its vehicle, while works like Stendhal's Le Rouge et le Noir, or Madame Bovary, were "solely" works of art.

He speaks of Monte Cristo in 'The Art of Creating a Legend" piece e he wrote for the Guardian a few years back.
The Art of Creating a Legend
This message last edited by DomA on 11/01/2010 at 07:25:36 PM
Reply to message
The Count of Monte Cristo was a terrible choice for a book discussion. - 09/01/2010 07:41:01 PM 1760 Views
Hey, now (copy/paste) - 09/01/2010 07:48:56 PM 1283 Views
People should think about these things before recommending books. - 09/01/2010 08:13:10 PM 1340 Views
Which is why I voted for Bulgakov's M & M. - 09/01/2010 10:56:00 PM 1367 Views
Agreed. Madame Bovary is serious literature. - 10/01/2010 01:02:34 AM 1209 Views
Are you nuts!!?? - 10/01/2010 08:37:47 AM 1462 Views
I wanted to do that too. - 10/01/2010 01:24:42 AM 1132 Views
It's bloody marvellous. *NM* - 10/01/2010 08:05:47 AM 548 Views
Our next discussions will have preselected options. - 10/01/2010 01:00:59 AM 1308 Views
I heartily support the move from democracy to oligarchy! - 10/01/2010 01:04:13 AM 1255 Views
I agree. - 10/01/2010 08:01:33 AM 1202 Views
I disagree slightly - 09/01/2010 09:07:12 PM 1190 Views
Well, by that standard a Jackie Collins novel is worthy of debate. - 10/01/2010 01:08:04 AM 1238 Views
I think you misunderstand my intent - 10/01/2010 01:10:57 AM 1292 Views
You poopyhead! - 10/01/2010 01:19:11 AM 1354 Views
Oh, I almost forgot - 10/01/2010 01:11:50 AM 1225 Views
Ooh...I'd love to hear them!!! What did Eco say to trash Dumas? *NM* - 10/01/2010 01:19:43 AM 488 Views
Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 10/01/2010 01:39:28 AM 1312 Views
I love it. Strangely enough, though, he wrote an introduction to the book. - 10/01/2010 01:54:24 AM 1170 Views
Not really strange as Eco has long been fascinated by this book - 11/01/2010 05:01:56 PM 1175 Views
Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:12:55 PM 1083 Views
Re: Did he mention it in his book on ugliness? - 11/01/2010 05:52:29 PM 1446 Views
I like Eco's distinction between light fiction and literature. - 12/01/2010 04:16:38 PM 1307 Views
Re: Here's the French translation from Eco's work on supermen - 11/01/2010 03:49:15 PM 1364 Views
That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 05:12:25 PM 1093 Views
Re: That's fascinating. Of course, I disagree with Eco's praise. - 11/01/2010 06:22:24 PM 1402 Views
I agree that abridging it would not work well. - 12/01/2010 04:06:26 PM 1285 Views
In which case... - 12/01/2010 05:22:34 PM 1067 Views
Yes - 13/01/2010 07:56:08 PM 1351 Views
Not really. - 15/01/2010 01:18:10 PM 1523 Views
I think there are plenty of things that can be discussed. - 09/01/2010 10:00:06 PM 1441 Views
Discussed and put to rest in 5 minutes or less, perhaps. - 10/01/2010 01:17:02 AM 1296 Views
Depends on who you are, one would imagine. - 10/01/2010 08:16:11 AM 1335 Views
<pretentious>Well, why should we cater to the lowest common denominator? - 11/01/2010 02:17:03 AM 1257 Views
Heh. - 11/01/2010 07:49:47 AM 1147 Views
I'd laugh... - 11/01/2010 07:21:38 PM 1032 Views
Tom is the primary reason I want an ignore feature again. - 12/01/2010 02:17:29 AM 1081 Views
I'm glad to hear that. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:17:30 PM 504 Views
And so you've reached this decision about Tom... - 18/01/2010 10:10:44 PM 1255 Views
I don't get that. Well, of course I do from Tom, but let's put him aside for this discussion. - 12/01/2010 03:35:21 AM 1366 Views
It's frustrating though... - 12/01/2010 04:18:37 AM 1326 Views
I think if you posted that (or something like it) people would reply to it. - 12/01/2010 05:08:53 AM 1326 Views
Perhaps. - 12/01/2010 05:26:38 AM 1045 Views
Given the people who have read the Kushiel books, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. - 12/01/2010 05:58:33 AM 1091 Views
I was mostly just giving an example. - 12/01/2010 06:14:04 AM 1204 Views
You're not. - 12/01/2010 02:16:09 PM 1153 Views
Her next series sounds interesting - 12/01/2010 02:20:17 PM 1031 Views
It does, but the reviews I've seen aren't too enthusiastic. - 12/01/2010 02:29:26 PM 1080 Views
Yes, but how so? - 12/01/2010 02:39:59 PM 1163 Views
Well... - 13/01/2010 07:03:08 PM 1245 Views
Honestly... - 13/01/2010 07:51:14 PM 1245 Views
Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 12:55:00 PM 1379 Views
Re: Absolutely. - 14/01/2010 01:57:47 PM 1174 Views
ah i didn't realize it was already out - 13/01/2010 11:44:53 PM 1043 Views
'tis. - 14/01/2010 12:56:11 PM 1406 Views
I really don't think it would. - 12/01/2010 07:49:32 AM 1238 Views
I have tried before. - 12/01/2010 01:59:24 PM 1115 Views
That's bullshit - 12/01/2010 11:12:55 PM 1278 Views
True, true. - 16/01/2010 08:54:16 AM 995 Views
Luckily for you... - 16/01/2010 08:59:23 AM 1382 Views
Re: "Omigod you read light fantasy?" - 18/01/2010 10:04:41 PM 1430 Views
Har. *NM* - 18/01/2010 10:03:31 PM 666 Views
I'm quite enjoying it. - 09/01/2010 10:40:30 PM 1257 Views
A kid's book of adventure doesn't translate into a good book club discussion. - 10/01/2010 01:21:11 AM 1136 Views
I have to agree - 11/01/2010 12:36:55 AM 1261 Views
How did you find deeper meaning (pun intended) in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? *NM* - 11/01/2010 02:17:55 AM 496 Views
It was half bullshit, you must understand - 11/01/2010 03:59:42 PM 1126 Views
Come on, there is lovely tragedy there... - 13/01/2010 07:32:49 PM 1083 Views
I am pleased to be referenced in a cross-board discussion. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:29:45 PM 622 Views

Reply to Message