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All righty, that's enough of that. For Tom, Greg, and... no, pretty much just you two. Nebhead Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 04:33:00 PM
I'm getting more than a little pissed off at the way you two are treating the bookclub as your own personal playground.

I understand that you think the book is shit and should never have been chosen, and you're more than welcome to express those views. But please, please express those opinions in a way that's condusive to a discussion, instead of doing your best to stamp out any hope for decent dialogue.

The fact of the matter is that the choice *was* selected by popular vote, and that, for better or for worse, people *have* read it who otherwise wouldn't. I know I certainly wouldn't have read it if it hadn't been chosen. So respect that.

The admins and I are doing our best to get this site to a point where discussion is self-sustaining, and your actions in this post are directly counter-productive. And that *really* pisses me off, especially when I consider how much time and effort I've poured into this place. And given how much the both of you complained about wotmania going under, partly because of exactly the same behaviour from someone else, I'm surprised and shocked that you're carrying on the way you are.

If you don't care about RAFO anymore, then bugger off. If you do, then how about contributing to the site, instead of expecting the site to contribute to you? Start your own bookclub for all I care! Choose a book you like, make a post encouraging people to read it by a certain time, and then discuss it; it's not difficult, and everyone wins.

I'm not expecting an apology because even if you did give one you wouldn't mean it. But I'm deadly serious when I say that I won't hesitate to get the ban hammer out if I consider your actions to be damaging the site. I've invested too much in it to do otherwise.
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The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas - Book Club now open! - 25/01/2010 10:54:37 PM 2941 Views
Le plot. - 25/01/2010 10:55:26 PM 1690 Views
Plot: demarcation, plan, complot... - 26/01/2010 11:48:19 PM 1872 Views
Les characters. - 25/01/2010 10:56:23 PM 1789 Views
The good, the bad and the ugly. - 26/01/2010 10:54:38 AM 1826 Views
Hmm. - 27/01/2010 03:58:31 PM 1753 Views
Re: Hmm. - 27/01/2010 04:59:12 PM 1805 Views
Re: Hmm. - 28/01/2010 01:40:34 PM 1736 Views
Re: Hmm. - 01/02/2010 12:49:06 PM 1960 Views
Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 25/01/2010 10:57:37 PM 1766 Views
Or rather, does this book share any traits in common with pornography? - 25/01/2010 11:14:01 PM 1952 Views
I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 03:43:04 AM 1815 Views
Re: I think the revenge plot is actually fairly weak. - 26/01/2010 11:12:19 AM 1845 Views
In that case, the "release" is quite unsatisfying. - 27/01/2010 01:42:28 PM 2004 Views
Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 02:06:58 PM 1871 Views
Oh, and your point on revenge - that's just reading too much into the text. - 27/01/2010 02:16:05 PM 1695 Views
There is no such thing - 27/01/2010 02:18:46 PM 1740 Views
I fundamentally disagree with your post-modern take on the novel. - 27/01/2010 02:25:25 PM 1814 Views
It isn't a postmodern take on it - 27/01/2010 02:41:32 PM 1753 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 03:40:36 PM 1769 Views
Maybe it's of the same importance as the Lost Symbol. - 27/01/2010 03:44:55 PM 1815 Views
If I ddin't know better, I might think you a trifle petulant - 27/01/2010 04:19:57 PM 1844 Views
I'm never petulant - 27/01/2010 04:55:56 PM 1686 Views
Re: Which is precisely part of what makes the book interesting - 27/01/2010 04:47:37 PM 1868 Views
I think one important question to ask is... - 26/01/2010 12:00:17 AM 1839 Views
I have read the abridged version a couple of times. I am reading the unabridged version this time. - 26/01/2010 03:25:50 AM 1808 Views
the potentially removable part... - 26/01/2010 11:24:16 AM 1830 Views
I have read both - 27/01/2010 01:37:00 AM 1852 Views
The abridged versus the unabridged - 28/01/2010 06:32:22 AM 1794 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 27/01/2010 01:16:47 AM 1955 Views
Re: Why does the book have enduring appeal? - 30/01/2010 09:12:22 AM 1822 Views
Re: I got here too late, so I offer Umberto Eco's thoughts on the matter: - 22/02/2010 06:59:13 PM 2003 Views
I'm watching right back, Big Brother. *NM* - 25/01/2010 11:44:30 PM 933 Views
*NM* - 25/01/2010 11:45:27 PM 917 Views
The book was very childish. - 26/01/2010 03:05:01 AM 1935 Views
Granted, The Master and Margarita is also very much a fantasy book. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:07:45 AM 962 Views
No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 03:10:08 AM 1827 Views
You know, this is a problem. - 26/01/2010 03:43:14 AM 1834 Views
There's really nothing I can say to this that Greg didn't just say above. - 26/01/2010 06:32:02 AM 1899 Views
People tend to forget one thing about Tolkien - 26/01/2010 01:36:06 PM 1770 Views
Re: No, it really isn't. - 26/01/2010 10:57:19 AM 1761 Views
I'll admit the only Lem I've read is Solaris... - 26/01/2010 01:52:02 PM 1871 Views
Read His Master's Voice - 26/01/2010 04:52:31 PM 1753 Views
You make some rather odd claims here, Tom - 27/01/2010 12:43:41 AM 1861 Views
You place undue importance on academic degrees. - 27/01/2010 01:19:40 AM 1862 Views
You misread totally what I said, I see... - 27/01/2010 01:52:59 AM 1734 Views
My claims are far from odd. In fact, they're quite common. - 27/01/2010 01:57:41 AM 1821 Views
In some circles; in others, they're rather antiquated nowadays - 27/01/2010 02:21:03 AM 1766 Views
If you were trying to write literature, wouldn't the label sting for you? - 27/01/2010 01:25:14 PM 1783 Views
I think it's easier to think of stories fitting into genre(s) than to think the same of authors - 27/01/2010 02:40:29 PM 1879 Views
Allow me to clarify: I'm talking about authors' reactions to their books being so labelled. - 27/01/2010 03:08:47 PM 1907 Views
But yet their reactions vary widely - 27/01/2010 11:33:25 PM 1801 Views
My fundamental premise is that genre has the most utility when applied to derivative fiction. - 28/01/2010 09:39:17 PM 1786 Views
And yet that term is mostly used as a non-loaded term that doesn't attempt to ascribe quality levels - 29/01/2010 02:49:20 AM 1701 Views
I like my definition of science fiction better than the one you quoted. - 29/01/2010 05:16:36 AM 1758 Views
I think estrangement is a key element, though - 30/01/2010 11:00:19 PM 1780 Views
I don't think estrangement is a necessary element. - 30/01/2010 11:47:07 PM 1876 Views
I mean it as a literary effect, that of creating a distance between text and reader - 31/01/2010 12:03:34 AM 1766 Views
Even if that's the meaning, I still disagree. - 03/02/2010 12:49:58 AM 1702 Views
Depends on how you view SF, I suppose - 03/02/2010 04:20:56 AM 1548 Views
I thought that was what we were mulling over - 03/02/2010 04:38:35 AM 1738 Views
True - 03/02/2010 05:11:19 AM 1669 Views
Nice tie-in! - 03/02/2010 01:55:33 PM 1744 Views
- 05/02/2010 06:06:23 AM 1785 Views
The approve of this message. - 26/01/2010 03:34:49 AM 1821 Views
I'm not through it quite yet, but I do have a question - 26/01/2010 12:24:14 PM 1732 Views
Wait...you VOTED for this book? - 26/01/2010 01:41:00 PM 1779 Views
I honestly can't remember. - 26/01/2010 01:55:39 PM 1736 Views
Doctor Zhivago is one of the best novels ever written. - 26/01/2010 02:12:35 PM 1801 Views
Right, so now we all know that if we'd just listen to me more often, the world would be better. - 26/01/2010 02:20:56 PM 1745 Views
The problem was that the suggestions were generally not that good. - 26/01/2010 02:32:50 PM 1814 Views
Possession is not "purely a romance novel". - 26/01/2010 02:57:17 PM 1939 Views
Which basically proves my entire point. - 26/01/2010 03:00:20 PM 1811 Views
Which is purely a romance novel? - 26/01/2010 02:59:38 PM 1809 Views
Fair enough, it might be a bit tricky to discuss. *NM* - 26/01/2010 03:04:58 PM 924 Views
In your opinion - 26/01/2010 03:07:12 PM 1826 Views
Exactly why I avoid suggesting modern books - 26/01/2010 03:10:09 PM 1832 Views
You really are ignornant of what A.S. Byatt writes, aren't you? - 27/01/2010 12:51:00 AM 1801 Views
Oh, I fucking hate epistolary novels. Thank you for warning me. - 27/01/2010 02:00:34 AM 1684 Views
Ha! - 27/01/2010 02:22:00 AM 1758 Views
Perhaps I would like it. I still hate epistolary novels. - 27/01/2010 01:26:43 PM 1811 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 02:01:22 PM 913 Views
It's funny because I think it's a question of taste level. - 26/01/2010 02:32:08 PM 1844 Views
Curious George is a tale of many layers, as told by Werner Herzog - 26/01/2010 02:34:27 PM 1910 Views
I don't care if this validates your opinion of me. - 29/01/2010 11:06:18 PM 1689 Views
On what basis? - 26/01/2010 02:51:40 PM 1820 Views
It's a children's book. Get over it. Democracy failed. - 26/01/2010 02:55:03 PM 1862 Views
Usually does, when those who know better keep silent. - 26/01/2010 02:57:54 PM 1765 Views
I didn't keep silent, though. - 26/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 1826 Views
You're ignoring what we've been discussing. - 27/01/2010 11:11:44 AM 1778 Views
Regarding comfort zones - 26/01/2010 05:08:50 PM 1863 Views
Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 05:40:08 PM 1899 Views
Re: Camilla, let's be honest here... - 26/01/2010 09:10:47 PM 1903 Views
If that's your goal, Camilla, you failed. - 27/01/2010 01:35:52 PM 1917 Views
Possibly - 27/01/2010 01:38:39 PM 1744 Views
I have not been ranting and raving. I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:45:05 PM 1783 Views
Re: I've been highly critical of the book, with much justification. - 27/01/2010 01:53:28 PM 1743 Views
I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:26:12 PM 1904 Views
Don't you get it? We bring this place down. - 27/01/2010 02:42:32 PM 1746 Views
Re: I was wondering how long it would take for you to blame me and Greg. - 27/01/2010 02:43:11 PM 1753 Views
While that was not the intent, that is an added bonus. - 27/01/2010 02:48:47 PM 1744 Views
why is it a bonus? - 27/01/2010 02:52:58 PM 1704 Views
I said see above. You should have before the thought police, Rebekah, started to delete. - 27/01/2010 02:59:07 PM 2003 Views
I did - 27/01/2010 04:40:25 PM 1772 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:57:03 AM 1864 Views
Re: Regarding comfort zones - 27/01/2010 11:59:31 AM 1828 Views
Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:07:14 PM 1742 Views
Re: Halfway - 27/01/2010 12:09:02 PM 1768 Views
Re: The book was very childish. - 30/01/2010 09:56:29 PM 1774 Views
I read it in French - 30/01/2010 10:54:34 PM 1670 Views
So. I really liked it. - 26/01/2010 08:57:02 AM 1943 Views
Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:04:23 PM 1753 Views
Re: Yes, fearless leader, this is where I stand. - 26/01/2010 11:49:03 PM 1804 Views
We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:14:21 AM 1881 Views
Re: We were talking about this last night. - 27/01/2010 11:37:04 AM 1919 Views
If you do that, I'm posting on the deeper meaning of Dan Brown. - 27/01/2010 01:46:35 PM 1857 Views
Feel free to. - 27/01/2010 01:51:23 PM 1842 Views
Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:28:56 PM 1771 Views
Re: Your post-modern take on the novel is shit, shit, shit. - 27/01/2010 02:45:41 PM 1850 Views
I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm challenging your touchy-feely approach. - 27/01/2010 03:15:00 PM 1694 Views
My touchy-feely approach? - 27/01/2010 05:09:04 PM 1793 Views
Yes...using passing references in the text to justify a deeper analysis. - 27/01/2010 05:16:10 PM 1780 Views
Doesn't touchy-feely mean that it is steeped in or based on emotion? - 27/01/2010 06:40:31 PM 1777 Views
I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 07:01:08 PM 1721 Views
You summed up my reasons for using "touchy-feely" quite well. - 27/01/2010 07:27:45 PM 1766 Views
Glad to hear it. - 27/01/2010 07:39:20 PM 1620 Views
Re: I think between the two of you I agree more with Tom here. - 27/01/2010 08:29:32 PM 1808 Views
See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 08:57:18 PM 1882 Views
Re: See my reply to Tom for clarification, then. - 27/01/2010 09:09:47 PM 1779 Views
Well, so what will it be? - 27/01/2010 09:14:53 PM 1720 Views
Er. Whose position are you arguing - mine or yours? - 27/01/2010 10:33:01 PM 1660 Views
Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 01:55:23 PM 1896 Views
Re: Do it. I'd read that. - 27/01/2010 02:10:04 PM 1786 Views
Right then. - 27/01/2010 02:15:04 PM 1747 Views
All righty, that's enough of that. For Tom, Greg, and... no, pretty much just you two. - 27/01/2010 04:33:00 PM 1842 Views
And ANOTHER THING - 27/01/2010 05:05:17 PM 1666 Views
Not everyone has finished reading it yet *NM* - 27/01/2010 05:12:10 PM 1002 Views
Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 05:17:51 PM 1834 Views
Re: Okay, so you'll get one or two stragglers in a week to a month. It changes nothing. - 27/01/2010 06:41:11 PM 1820 Views
We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 07:30:49 PM 1717 Views
In the interest of discussing Dumas' intentions... - 27/01/2010 08:03:24 PM 1879 Views
It was mildly interesting. - 27/01/2010 09:04:03 PM 1828 Views
I think you're misreading that... - 27/01/2010 10:18:11 PM 1869 Views
Re: We are discussing this book. We're discussing its faults. - 27/01/2010 08:30:19 PM 1859 Views
The text doesn't warrant "close attention" any more than Dan Brown's works do. - 27/01/2010 09:10:45 PM 1730 Views
fine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:12:44 PM 927 Views
Also, do you think a good book would have generated this level of discussion? Of course not. - 27/01/2010 05:21:45 PM 1774 Views
What discussion? - 27/01/2010 06:42:32 PM 1776 Views
I said that we couldn't discuss the book on its own terms. - 27/01/2010 07:35:32 PM 1921 Views
Which I still think we can. - 27/01/2010 08:35:35 PM 1759 Views
Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:06:59 PM 1829 Views
Re: Perhaps you shouldn't be breaking things down at all. - 27/01/2010 09:12:22 PM 1791 Views
You have yet to show any utility for breaking things down. - 27/01/2010 09:19:29 PM 1918 Views
I haven't tried to show any "utility" for it. - 01/02/2010 01:06:35 PM 1717 Views
I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 27/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 1783 Views
Re: I apologize if I'm part of the reason you feel ganged up on. - 01/02/2010 12:56:03 PM 1740 Views
Deary me. - 27/01/2010 05:19:58 PM 1975 Views
By "respect" do you mean that you want me to drop my debates? - 27/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 1733 Views
Not at all. - 27/01/2010 05:35:34 PM 1892 Views
Okay, I'm cool with that. - 27/01/2010 05:44:54 PM 1872 Views
Thank you. - 27/01/2010 05:48:05 PM 2471 Views
Please ban me, then. - 27/01/2010 06:44:55 PM 1702 Views
Nods - 18/02/2010 05:06:44 PM 2212 Views
Oh man, I love this thread. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:17:58 AM 902 Views
On the nature of the "Book Club" - 28/01/2010 09:23:23 PM 1650 Views
Any chance of seeing some shorter suggestions? - 28/01/2010 10:20:59 PM 1880 Views
Yes, shorter would be good. - 28/01/2010 10:23:28 PM 1705 Views
Oh i'm not complaining - 28/01/2010 10:33:48 PM 1724 Views
Sure sounded like it. - 28/01/2010 10:38:27 PM 1762 Views
No for reals, shorter is good. - 29/01/2010 01:08:26 AM 1757 Views
Absolutely. - 29/01/2010 03:33:15 AM 1694 Views
Agreed - 29/01/2010 11:26:34 AM 1736 Views
Well, you should have known better! - 29/01/2010 01:29:40 AM 1744 Views
I do. - 29/01/2010 08:31:30 PM 1740 Views
Thought you did - 29/01/2010 08:38:39 PM 1696 Views
- 29/01/2010 08:51:42 PM 1738 Views
All I can say is The Master and Margarita better be one by March. WE WAS ROBBED. *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:31:48 AM 892 Views
That is the other one that I am considering. *NM* - 29/01/2010 03:32:02 AM 917 Views
I'll re-read Zhivago or Master if either is chosen - 29/01/2010 05:26:02 AM 1720 Views
Talk to me Ghavrel. - 30/01/2010 12:09:24 AM 1694 Views
Well, I haven't finished it yet. - 30/01/2010 02:21:08 AM 1729 Views
Re: On the nature of the "Book Club" - 29/01/2010 12:33:03 PM 1688 Views
I didn't read it for the Book Club - 29/01/2010 12:40:22 AM 1722 Views
Well I'm late to the party - 29/01/2010 06:21:18 AM 1715 Views
No, you're early - 01/02/2010 01:26:10 PM 1645 Views
I still have yet to see that discussion, Camilla. *NM* - 03/02/2010 12:46:24 AM 954 Views
A few comments - 04/02/2010 06:39:18 AM 2019 Views
If I kept you from participating, that's your fault. - 04/02/2010 01:01:46 PM 1689 Views
An interesting quote from the book - does it jibe with your experience? - 29/01/2010 11:23:54 PM 1747 Views
Sure. - 01/02/2010 03:23:59 PM 1715 Views

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