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Not all important targets are LEGITIMATE targets either. Joel Send a noteboard - 16/11/2010 05:06:11 PM
Attacking an economic center can be just as if not more effective than attacking a military center.

And it's not something that's new. Its been done for millenniums, and we've done it ourselves.

Also, if we continue this I shall develop a sidebar, so I say we call a truce and agree to disagree :P Matters of sidebars are not to be trifled with!!! :P

That's the difference between bombing, say, a munitions plant versus a mere population center. Dresden has always been less defensible in my mind than Hiroshima, and by a good margin. Nothing was manufactured, nothing produced, at the WTC. It was an office building, and I doubt most of the highest executives were there at 9AM on a Tuesday morning. I'm reminded of the guy who told his wife he was going to work when he was really going to his mistress; if he hadn't worked in the WTC, and it hadn't been 911, he'd have gotten away with it. ;)

A lot of things have been done for millennia; it used to be common practice to kill all enemy men above the age of puberty, rape the women so they'd have the right color babies, enslave anyone left alive, then salt the ground on your way home. It's now considered genocide several times over, multiple war crimes. Hell, denazifying Germany probably qualifies as "genocide" by current UN standards, which is pretty scary. Deliberately killing thousands of civilians just for the sake of intimidation isn't war, it's terrorism, unless, like Islamic militants, it's not even for the sake of a negotiated peace. Then it's just plain old mass murder.

And while it may have been a while, sidebars have never intimidated me, but I'll accept a truce if you wish one.
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Subversive Websites - 13/11/2010 10:49:15 PM 1385 Views
"Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established govt". - 14/11/2010 01:44:14 AM 767 Views
Re: Gee, thanks dad! *NM* - 14/11/2010 01:32:32 PM 512 Views
Well, I'm hoping I simply disagree with your diction rather than your motives. - 14/11/2010 03:36:57 PM 834 Views
Re: No, you disagree with my motives. - 15/11/2010 01:06:54 AM 804 Views
The Founding Fathers of the US? - 15/11/2010 10:18:32 AM 849 Views
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God". - 15/11/2010 01:15:33 PM 879 Views
I'm sure bin Laden completely agrees - 15/11/2010 01:32:53 PM 855 Views
When you give me an example of Jefferson murdering women and children that analogy will work. - 15/11/2010 01:49:04 PM 802 Views
yes because Jefferson was a PARAGON of virtue himself - 15/11/2010 02:17:58 PM 898 Views
I wasn't aware I'd made that statement. - 15/11/2010 02:25:27 PM 718 Views
nvm, I was going to argue but I have decided not to *NM* - 15/11/2010 07:46:42 PM 465 Views
So you are being completely subjective here? It is wrong, unless it is for a cause you support? *NM* - 15/11/2010 02:30:37 PM 393 Views
No, it's a question of precedence. - 15/11/2010 04:13:04 PM 740 Views
His analogy works very well, and you are still being subjective. - 15/11/2010 08:23:25 PM 977 Views
The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. - 15/11/2010 09:17:01 PM 947 Views
Re: The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. - 15/11/2010 10:52:40 PM 767 Views
I don't believe that at all. - 16/11/2010 12:08:26 AM 626 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. - 16/11/2010 11:52:36 PM 867 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. - 17/11/2010 01:34:29 AM 842 Views
No, its relevancy is difficult to grasp. - 16/11/2010 07:19:11 AM 1020 Views
Maybe I just have an unusual perspective. - 16/11/2010 04:15:39 PM 895 Views
I didn't know they bombed a SCHOOL!!! - 16/11/2010 04:31:24 PM 779 Views
Please. If there were any soldiers in the WTC on 911 it was coincidental. - 16/11/2010 04:40:51 PM 782 Views
perhaps, but not all important targets are military targets. - 16/11/2010 04:57:20 PM 950 Views
Not all important targets are LEGITIMATE targets either. - 16/11/2010 05:06:11 PM 777 Views
I don't wish one, but I hate sidebars - 16/11/2010 05:09:33 PM 825 Views
All about priorities; your call. - 16/11/2010 10:33:53 PM 748 Views
That's so many hours of my life I'll never get back. - 16/11/2010 10:41:55 PM 794 Views
This your first time on the CMB? - 16/11/2010 11:18:03 PM 792 Views
No, NOW I know what's going on! - 16/11/2010 04:36:04 PM 917 Views
Still doesn't work. - 16/11/2010 04:50:58 PM 946 Views
Those last sentences are going way overboard. - 16/11/2010 05:08:40 PM 774 Views
Terrorism is inexcusable and indefensible, but at least there's a LOGIC to it. - 16/11/2010 05:21:15 PM 864 Views
First of all, your generalizations were misguided. - 16/11/2010 05:40:55 PM 886 Views
Of course I disagree, but that's a different and older debate. - 16/11/2010 11:10:23 PM 1057 Views
I will try to be brief. Try. - 16/11/2010 11:28:28 PM 858 Views
Heh. - 16/11/2010 11:55:40 PM 763 Views
mostly agree - 16/11/2010 11:18:14 PM 728 Views
. . . and now I'm thinking you're the one willfully misunderstanding. - 16/11/2010 05:36:15 PM 799 Views
Not willful, at least. - 17/11/2010 12:29:42 AM 761 Views
sorry - 16/11/2010 11:24:44 PM 840 Views
Well, you know what I was going on about, if that helps? *NM* - 16/11/2010 11:25:18 PM 463 Views
"Subversion" has the connotation of treason, however wrongly. - 15/11/2010 01:32:06 PM 846 Views
Re: Non-sequitur, non-sequitur, CAPS LOCK, opinion, CAPS LOCK. - 15/11/2010 10:45:41 PM 671 Views
Either my mind moves much faster than ya'lls, or ya'll are deliberately missing the point. - 16/11/2010 12:05:28 AM 874 Views
I am curious. - 16/11/2010 01:10:52 AM 717 Views
Argggh, ya got me! - 16/11/2010 05:11:41 PM 725 Views
the dictionary has -nia and -iums. - 16/11/2010 05:16:32 PM 814 Views
I prefer "millennia" but recall someone telling me that's not technically right. - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 762 Views
well, in American English, they're apparantly both "correct" *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:13:40 PM 498 Views
In American English, almost anything is. - 17/11/2010 01:02:15 AM 842 Views
It is right. It's the one thing that's easy in Latin and Greek declensions. - 16/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 770 Views
You call then "neutral" over there? Interesting. *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:42:00 PM 493 Views
Neutral, neutrum, neuter, whatever. Details. *NM* - 16/11/2010 06:45:29 PM 440 Views
Do only neuter words end in -um? - 16/11/2010 06:57:39 PM 834 Views
Yes. I think so, anyway - been a good while since I had Latin. - 16/11/2010 07:12:09 PM 825 Views
Thanks. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. - 16/11/2010 07:17:05 PM 800 Views
IIRC, the number of "n"s was the issue. - 17/11/2010 01:06:24 AM 803 Views
Should definitely be two. *NM* - 17/11/2010 01:48:51 AM 407 Views
Ah, thanks. - 17/11/2010 02:08:08 AM 806 Views
Silly laptops.... - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 907 Views
- 16/11/2010 05:35:22 PM 731 Views
I'm horrible about using "conjugate" as a blanket term. - 17/11/2010 01:09:34 AM 857 Views
I'm definitely missing the point. - 16/11/2010 06:58:17 AM 822 Views
Well, hopefully we've cleared things up now. *MN* - 16/11/2010 05:30:46 PM 816 Views
I don't know if it qualifies as subversive... - 14/11/2010 02:47:34 AM 933 Views
Re: That's not bad. - 14/11/2010 01:38:02 PM 823 Views
The Chap - 14/11/2010 01:58:27 PM 693 Views
Thanks. - 14/11/2010 03:04:49 PM 795 Views
All my subversive websites are religious. - 15/11/2010 02:26:42 AM 781 Views
Re: I'm certainly interested. - 15/11/2010 03:37:11 AM 804 Views
Well, okay then. - 15/11/2010 04:23:35 AM 873 Views
Some stuff I think is pretty neat: - 15/11/2010 07:24:41 PM 881 Views
Re: Noice, noice. - 15/11/2010 11:01:31 PM 811 Views
That first link is really good. - 15/11/2010 11:18:25 PM 911 Views
Re: Ha! - 16/11/2010 11:55:42 PM 681 Views
Re: Also, I like your poems. *NM* - 17/11/2010 01:02:27 AM 436 Views
Re: Dude. - 20/11/2010 02:14:38 AM 877 Views
you mean besides this one? *NM* - 15/11/2010 07:55:03 PM 343 Views
Re: I AM NOT SUBVERTING NEBHEAD!! - 15/11/2010 11:02:10 PM 807 Views
Re: William Faulkner would be unhappy with my thread. - 16/11/2010 08:29:42 PM 776 Views
My work here is done. - 16/11/2010 08:34:22 PM 741 Views
Re: Yes, it's fairly obvious that you need to respond. *NM* - 16/11/2010 11:40:10 PM 464 Views
I often wish I didn't. - 17/11/2010 01:49:33 AM 703 Views
I'm calling you out on this one. - 18/11/2010 12:06:17 AM 758 Views
It's not perfect, but it's the lesser of many evils, IMHO. - 18/11/2010 01:12:43 AM 820 Views
You people with your words. - 16/11/2010 08:34:17 PM 890 Views
. - 16/11/2010 08:54:22 PM 675 Views
Re: I still say we should start a band. - 20/11/2010 02:42:48 AM 838 Views
Re: Man, that attack on Cameron is brutal. *NM* - 20/11/2010 02:47:12 AM 420 Views
Re: Awesome. - 16/11/2010 11:38:29 PM 806 Views

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