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Not willful, at least. Joel Send a noteboard - 17/11/2010 12:29:42 AM
Let's just drop this, yeah.

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Subversive Websites Gaps - 13/11/2010 10:49:15 PM 1350 Views
"Intended or serving to subvert, especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established govt". Joel - 14/11/2010 01:44:14 AM 735 Views
Re: Gee, thanks dad! *NM* Gaps - 14/11/2010 01:32:32 PM 501 Views
Well, I'm hoping I simply disagree with your diction rather than your motives. Joel - 14/11/2010 03:36:57 PM 800 Views
Re: No, you disagree with my motives. Gaps - 15/11/2010 01:06:54 AM 783 Views
Jesus, who was executed for treason, is another relatively famous subversive. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/11/2010 01:43:22 AM 426 Views
Re: I believe I've heard of him. Played centerfield for the Braves? *NM* Gaps - 15/11/2010 03:38:17 AM 439 Views
I've always heard about him as a linebacker for the Saints. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/11/2010 04:25:00 AM 378 Views
The Founding Fathers of the US? snoopcester - 15/11/2010 10:18:32 AM 817 Views
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God". Joel - 15/11/2010 01:15:33 PM 852 Views
I'm sure bin Laden completely agrees snoopcester - 15/11/2010 01:32:53 PM 828 Views
When you give me an example of Jefferson murdering women and children that analogy will work. Joel - 15/11/2010 01:49:04 PM 766 Views
yes because Jefferson was a PARAGON of virtue himself LadyLorraine - 15/11/2010 02:17:58 PM 862 Views
I wasn't aware I'd made that statement. Joel - 15/11/2010 02:25:27 PM 688 Views
nvm, I was going to argue but I have decided not to *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/11/2010 07:46:42 PM 459 Views
So you are being completely subjective here? It is wrong, unless it is for a cause you support? *NM* snoopcester - 15/11/2010 02:30:37 PM 385 Views
No, it's a question of precedence. Joel - 15/11/2010 04:13:04 PM 709 Views
government as a social contract is an opinion. LadyLorraine - 15/11/2010 07:47:57 PM 769 Views
Government as social contract is accepted everywhere political power doesn't come out of a gun. Joel - 15/11/2010 09:26:19 PM 900 Views
His analogy works very well, and you are still being subjective. (beat.) - 15/11/2010 08:23:25 PM 946 Views
The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. Joel - 15/11/2010 09:17:01 PM 908 Views
Re: The precedence is inherent in the statement; that was Jeffersons point. Gaps - 15/11/2010 10:52:40 PM 726 Views
I don't believe that at all. Joel - 16/11/2010 12:08:26 AM 607 Views
I'm sorry, at what point did he say he wished to overturn social contract philosophy? LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 01:47:49 AM 719 Views
Heaven forbid anyone put words in peoples mouths. Joel - 16/11/2010 04:38:20 PM 926 Views
uhm, he did not say every rebel is a traitor. LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 688 Views
Re: uhm, which "he" are we speaking of here? Joel - 16/11/2010 04:58:12 PM 906 Views
dude, so your issue is that you're afraid the CIA is going to show up on your door? LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 05:01:38 PM 833 Views
My issue is not inviting trouble just to impotently shake my fist at omnipotent but faceless evil. Joel - 16/11/2010 10:31:54 PM 6021 Views
They also don't get paid to waste their superiors time with silly conversations on silly websites *NM* Helene - 18/11/2010 10:56:36 AM 512 Views
The US had a guy tortured in Syria for a year because of silly converse on a silly website. Joel - 18/11/2010 04:03:14 PM 749 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. Gaps - 16/11/2010 11:52:36 PM 830 Views
Re: As I mentioned numerous times. Joel - 17/11/2010 01:34:29 AM 803 Views
No, its relevancy is difficult to grasp. (beat.) - 16/11/2010 07:19:11 AM 960 Views
Maybe I just have an unusual perspective. Joel - 16/11/2010 04:15:39 PM 864 Views
I didn't know they bombed a SCHOOL!!! LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 04:31:24 PM 742 Views
Please. If there were any soldiers in the WTC on 911 it was coincidental. Joel - 16/11/2010 04:40:51 PM 765 Views
perhaps, but not all important targets are military targets. LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 04:57:20 PM 915 Views
Not all important targets are LEGITIMATE targets either. Joel - 16/11/2010 05:06:11 PM 737 Views
I don't wish one, but I hate sidebars LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 05:09:33 PM 793 Views
All about priorities; your call. Joel - 16/11/2010 10:33:53 PM 709 Views
That's so many hours of my life I'll never get back. Legolas - 16/11/2010 10:41:55 PM 773 Views
This your first time on the CMB? Joel - 16/11/2010 11:18:03 PM 740 Views
No, NOW I know what's going on! (beat.) - 16/11/2010 04:36:04 PM 892 Views
Still doesn't work. Joel - 16/11/2010 04:50:58 PM 911 Views
Those last sentences are going way overboard. Legolas - 16/11/2010 05:08:40 PM 737 Views
Terrorism is inexcusable and indefensible, but at least there's a LOGIC to it. Joel - 16/11/2010 05:21:15 PM 831 Views
First of all, your generalizations were misguided. Legolas - 16/11/2010 05:40:55 PM 845 Views
Of course I disagree, but that's a different and older debate. Joel - 16/11/2010 11:10:23 PM 1017 Views
I will try to be brief. Try. Legolas - 16/11/2010 11:28:28 PM 819 Views
Heh. Joel - 16/11/2010 11:55:40 PM 745 Views
mostly agree snoopcester - 16/11/2010 11:18:14 PM 695 Views
"Treason never prospers, what's the reason? If it prospers, none dare call it treason". Joel - 16/11/2010 11:30:55 PM 784 Views
I agree with the title - that seems to be a good quote to define when treason stops becoming treason snoopcester - 16/11/2010 11:39:37 PM 783 Views
Treason is always treason, Pope just had a wry wit. Joel - 17/11/2010 12:27:29 AM 762 Views
. . . and now I'm thinking you're the one willfully misunderstanding. (beat.) - 16/11/2010 05:36:15 PM 769 Views
Not willful, at least. Joel - 17/11/2010 12:29:42 AM 732 Views
sorry snoopcester - 16/11/2010 11:24:44 PM 800 Views
Equally sorry if I've somehow done SOME Islamic TERRORISTS a disservice. Joel - 17/11/2010 12:44:34 AM 818 Views
Well, you know what I was going on about, if that helps? *NM* snoopcester - 16/11/2010 11:25:18 PM 452 Views
"Subversion" has the connotation of treason, however wrongly. Joel - 15/11/2010 01:32:06 PM 823 Views
Re: Non-sequitur, non-sequitur, CAPS LOCK, opinion, CAPS LOCK. Gaps - 15/11/2010 10:45:41 PM 639 Views
Either my mind moves much faster than ya'lls, or ya'll are deliberately missing the point. Joel - 16/11/2010 12:05:28 AM 842 Views
I am curious. Sareitha Sedai - 16/11/2010 01:10:52 AM 683 Views
Argggh, ya got me! Joel - 16/11/2010 05:11:41 PM 684 Views
the dictionary has -nia and -iums. LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 05:16:32 PM 785 Views
I prefer "millennia" but recall someone telling me that's not technically right. Joel - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 728 Views
well, in American English, they're apparantly both "correct" *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 06:13:40 PM 491 Views
In American English, almost anything is. Joel - 17/11/2010 01:02:15 AM 823 Views
It is right. It's the one thing that's easy in Latin and Greek declensions. Legolas - 16/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 736 Views
You call then "neutral" over there? Interesting. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/11/2010 06:42:00 PM 484 Views
Neutral, neutrum, neuter, whatever. Details. *NM* Legolas - 16/11/2010 06:45:29 PM 429 Views
Do only neuter words end in -um? Sareitha Sedai - 16/11/2010 06:57:39 PM 805 Views
Yes. I think so, anyway - been a good while since I had Latin. Legolas - 16/11/2010 07:12:09 PM 787 Views
Thanks. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. Sareitha Sedai - 16/11/2010 07:17:05 PM 764 Views
IIRC, the number of "n"s was the issue. Joel - 17/11/2010 01:06:24 AM 777 Views
Should definitely be two. *NM* Legolas - 17/11/2010 01:48:51 AM 393 Views
Ah, thanks. Joel - 17/11/2010 02:08:08 AM 776 Views
Silly laptops.... Joel - 16/11/2010 05:32:34 PM 870 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 16/11/2010 05:35:22 PM 705 Views
I'm horrible about using "conjugate" as a blanket term. Joel - 17/11/2010 01:09:34 AM 827 Views
Oh yes, because you're very much in danger!!! LadyLorraine - 16/11/2010 01:51:58 AM 668 Views
The Secret Service once tracked down a teenager who wrote a death threat on a bill he passed. Joel - 16/11/2010 05:30:18 PM 780 Views
I'm definitely missing the point. (beat.) - 16/11/2010 06:58:17 AM 796 Views
Well, hopefully we've cleared things up now. *MN* Joel - 16/11/2010 05:30:46 PM 793 Views
I don't know if it qualifies as subversive... Wulf`gar - 14/11/2010 02:47:34 AM 905 Views
Re: That's not bad. Gaps - 14/11/2010 01:38:02 PM 787 Views
The Chap Camilla - 14/11/2010 01:58:27 PM 671 Views
Thanks. Gaps - 14/11/2010 03:04:49 PM 772 Views
All my subversive websites are religious. Ghavrel - 15/11/2010 02:26:42 AM 747 Views
Re: I'm certainly interested. Gaps - 15/11/2010 03:37:11 AM 765 Views
Well, okay then. Ghavrel - 15/11/2010 04:23:35 AM 835 Views
Always liked Sojourners, though I've not been by there in an Age. Joel - 15/11/2010 01:43:51 PM 799 Views
Some stuff I think is pretty neat: (beat.) - 15/11/2010 07:24:41 PM 853 Views
Re: Noice, noice. Gaps - 15/11/2010 11:01:31 PM 784 Views
That first link is really good. Novo - 15/11/2010 11:18:25 PM 878 Views
Re: Ha! Gaps - 16/11/2010 11:55:42 PM 660 Views
Re: Also, I like your poems. *NM* Gaps - 17/11/2010 01:02:27 AM 431 Views
Re: Dude. Gaps - 20/11/2010 02:14:38 AM 846 Views
you mean besides this one? *NM* random thoughts - 15/11/2010 07:55:03 PM 334 Views
Re: I AM NOT SUBVERTING NEBHEAD!! Gaps - 15/11/2010 11:02:10 PM 773 Views
Re: William Faulkner would be unhappy with my thread. Gaps - 16/11/2010 08:29:42 PM 744 Views
My work here is done. Joel - 16/11/2010 08:34:22 PM 712 Views
Re: Yes, it's fairly obvious that you need to respond. *NM* Gaps - 16/11/2010 11:40:10 PM 458 Views
I often wish I didn't. Joel - 17/11/2010 01:49:33 AM 669 Views
I'm calling you out on this one. Novo - 18/11/2010 12:06:17 AM 727 Views
It's not perfect, but it's the lesser of many evils, IMHO. Joel - 18/11/2010 01:12:43 AM 792 Views
You people with your words. Kuke - 16/11/2010 08:34:17 PM 861 Views
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Re: I still say we should start a band. Gaps - 20/11/2010 02:42:48 AM 801 Views
Re: Man, that attack on Cameron is brutal. *NM* Gaps - 20/11/2010 02:47:12 AM 411 Views
Re: Awesome. Gaps - 16/11/2010 11:38:29 PM 777 Views
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