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Ugh. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
1. Why did WTC tower number 7 fall at all?

Because it got nailed with debris and was on fire for half of a day.

2. Why was there Thermite in the rubble of the two towers?

There wasn't. There were things that people incorrectly interpreted as the residue of a thermite reaction. Claims to have found "nano-thermite" remain unsubstantiated.

3. When steel skyscrapers caught fire in the past why didn't they fall when 3 skyscrapers fell on September 11, 2001 that were on fire.

Previous steel skyscrapers didn't have airplanes ram into them and have jet fuel pour into their innards and burn. Jet fuel went into the core of the buildings and burned, weakening the superstructure.

4. Secondary explosions were heard by witnesses in New York on 9/11. What was the cause of these disturbances?

I don't know what you are referring to. Be specific in your claims.

What is the Logic behind not thoroughly investigating exactly what happened? I would like to think a logical person would want the right questions asked and not put up with answers that are not logical explanations of observable phenomenon.

All of the questions you asked have been thoroughly investigated and answered by reputable scientific organizations.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1362 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 905 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 939 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 857 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 855 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 977 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 917 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 930 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 822 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 979 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 862 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 803 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 933 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 912 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1010 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 884 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 985 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 806 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 846 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 860 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 925 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 904 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 884 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 916 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 749 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 912 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 852 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 979 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 788 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 791 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 826 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 873 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 908 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 986 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 929 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 880 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 932 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 872 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 899 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 957 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 930 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 853 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 877 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 894 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 976 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 972 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 926 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 831 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 906 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 851 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 984 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 411 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 853 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 878 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 870 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 844 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 880 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 876 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 457 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1065 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 900 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 764 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 925 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 801 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 823 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 890 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 804 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 943 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 440 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 845 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 382 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1068 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 866 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1044 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 839 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 867 Views
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