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And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM

There has to be a deeper plot than we just wanted to declare war on terror. There has to be a goal that would be accomplished by this war on terror that would be worth the risk of getting caught attacking the American people. Think about the fallout if a government group was found to be responsible, it could end the government as we know it. Watergate would be an honest mistake in comparison and the Trail of Tears would humane.

What was the real goal? I have trouble buying the argument that they felt terrorism was such a grave threat that they had to pull off an attack more devastating that the terrorist were able to accomplish in order to spur the country to action and keep the terrorist from pulling off a devastating attack. Sounds good if you are writing Catch 22 part 2 but not much goos beyond that.

The argument that since their was a strong reaction to being attacked the group attacked must have planned it order to provoke a strong reaction may sound like solid thinking but without any actually evidence to support it all you have is tinfoil hat crazy.

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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1544 Views

Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 1031 Views

Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 1077 Views

Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 1015 Views

Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 988 Views

this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 1120 Views

That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 1097 Views

I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 1074 Views

Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 960 Views

Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1138 Views

Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 994 Views

I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 935 Views

I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 1075 Views

There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 1063 Views

No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1178 Views

Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 1052 Views

As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1134 Views

what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 942 Views

I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 998 Views

I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 1010 Views

Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 1121 Views

Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 1044 Views

But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 1053 Views

sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 1089 Views

I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 896 Views

and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 1059 Views

Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 1012 Views

And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 1139 Views

I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 926 Views

I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 932 Views

Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so.

Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 978 Views

and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 1010 Views

Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 1067 Views

In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1152 Views

sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 1066 Views

This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 1017 Views

For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 1077 Views

And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 1020 Views

That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 1045 Views

Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 1097 Views

Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 1074 Views

the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 1011 Views

Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 1040 Views

You just did not go Star Trek on me

Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 1051 Views

And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 1109 Views

Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 1103 Views

You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 1101 Views

humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 999 Views

Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 1045 Views

Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 1002 Views

Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1123 Views

Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 477 Views

Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 998 Views

Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 1026 Views

Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 1000 Views

Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 1023 Views

what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 1013 Views

Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 1030 Views

OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 542 Views

The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1215 Views

Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 1047 Views

But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 930 Views

You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 1049 Views

You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 946 Views

I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person

Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 957 Views

Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 1031 Views

Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 953 Views

I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 1129 Views

Me too

<3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 564 Views

For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 989 Views

+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 457 Views

Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1236 Views

Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 1044 Views

As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1196 Views

I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 1019 Views

Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 1014 Views

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There has to be a deeper plot than we just wanted to declare war on terror. There has to be a goal that would be accomplished by this war on terror that would be worth the risk of getting caught attacking the American people. Think about the fallout if a government group was found to be responsible, it could end the government as we know it.  Watergate would be an honest mistake in comparison and the Trail of Tears would humane.

What was the real goal? I have trouble buying the argument that they felt terrorism was such a grave threat that they had to pull off an attack more devastating that the terrorist were able to accomplish in order to spur the country to action and keep the terrorist from pulling off a devastating attack.  Sounds good if you are writing Catch 22 part 2 but not much goos beyond that.

The argument that since their was a strong reaction to being attacked the group attacked must have planned it order to provoke a strong reaction may sound like solid thinking but without any actually evidence to support it all you have is tinfoil hat crazy. 
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