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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
I assume you know about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)?

A think-tank that consisted of high level so-called neo-conservatives who developed papers and reports and letters that indicated the United States should, for example, attack Iraq. The same high level neo-conservatives who became an integral part of the Bush administration. Am I to assume you think it was a coincidence that the Bush administration that decided to invade Iraq was made up of the people who advocated attacking Iraq throughout the late 90s?

PNAC's stated goals were:

- we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

- we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

- we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]

- we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

In 1998 they drafted an open letter to President Clinton, signed by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, among others, urging that he authorize an attack on Iraq in order to depose Hussein. They said that they believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would pose a threat to US interests in the Middle East if he were left alone.

In 2000 PNAC published a report advocating the strengthening of US military force for both the purposes of defense and the purposes of shaping international politics and performing "constabulary" duties in critical regions. Regarding Iraq, the report said that the military would be justified in occupying Iraq and that this would be a good course of action in order to create a substantial US military presence in the Middle East and to counter the growing threat of Iran.

Within 9 days of 9/11, PNAC appealed to President Bush to attack Iraq. Throughout 2002 they continued to advocate this, saying that leaving Hussein in power was a "surrender to terrorism".

Given that PNAC was a neo-conservative effort supported by individuals who became members of the Bush administration, I think it is fairly reasonable to believe that said administration used the good grace and national anger created by 9/11 to advance the goal of invading Iraq for international political/military reasons.

I am not in this post giving any opinion either way about the rightness or wrongness of that line of thinking, and once again I repeat that I don't think the US had anything to do with 9/11, but I think it's pretty clear that the Bush administration took advantage of the general sentiment among the American people following 9/11 to advance their goals related to Iraq. After all, you said yourself that there is very little actual connection between the events of 9/11 and Iraq (and I agree). But the administration were linking Iraq with their war on terror and with domestic safety issues, in order to get the American people to agree with it for what the administration felt would be the greater overall good of the nation's future.

It may be true that Bush, the man, himself may not have had any inclination to attack Iraq before 9/11, but it's fairly obvious that some of the advisors he surrounded himself with wanted exactly that, and 9/11 gave them the justification to really push for it.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1376 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 916 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 952 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 872 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 995 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 931 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 836 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 1000 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 878 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 931 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 1024 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 903 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 1005 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 820 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 863 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 878 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 942 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 920 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 899 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 936 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 762 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 931 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 869 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 996 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 804 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 843 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 1010 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 944 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 896 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 944 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 887 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 912 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 972 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 945 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 867 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 896 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 914 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 994 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 987 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 850 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 924 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 866 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 1011 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 419 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 865 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 894 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 883 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 860 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 891 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 898 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 466 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 917 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 782 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 943 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 815 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 839 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 909 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 819 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 959 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 450 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 862 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 392 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1083 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 881 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1064 Views

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