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That contradicts the evidence. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM
The United States had multiple opportunities in the 1990s to go against al Qaeda. At one point, as we all remember, Sudan wanted to hand him over to the US but we said "no".

The United States was not concerned, primarily, with terrorism. International organizations like al Qaeda were significant enough to discuss, but certainly not to actually attack. When Bush got his first national security briefing, he was told that the threats to the US were, in order of danger: (1) China, (2) Iran and North Korea nuclear programs and (3) al Qaeda. Of these threats, al Qaeda was the most ephemeral - no organization can maintain the level of excitement and fervor to sustain long-term activities of this nature.

Looking at previous statements and incidents (like the spy plane the Chinese forced down) it is clear that the Bush administration was looking elsewhere. The war on terror strained a lot of relationships that had no problems. The old maxim of "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" comes into play. Why would the US want to expend so much political, economic and human capital tracking down a group of terrorists? Bush himself even alluded to this in his "million dollar missile into a ten dollar tent" statement.

9/11 also did a lot of damage to the US economy. Why would a President or anyone else in the government intentionally sabotage their means of making money?

Iraq certainly became a target of opportunity immediately after 9/11, and that fed into the US concern about Iran (I am certain the idea was to have bases in Iraq in the long term). However, conspiracies are very difficult to maintain. People talk. Look at wikileaks. Look at the Pentagon Papers.

If I had ever heard anything that made any logical sense, I would have at least given that version of events credit as "plausible".
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1286 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 835 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 865 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 790 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 905 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 823 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 744 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 905 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 781 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 831 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 937 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 818 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 888 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 735 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 747 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 797 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 856 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 844 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 820 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 824 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 684 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 831 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 789 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 893 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 728 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 758 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 861 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 869 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 816 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 849 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 799 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 828 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 859 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 848 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 795 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 814 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 807 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 909 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 899 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 747 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 823 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 791 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 908 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 378 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 757 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 800 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 782 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 775 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 819 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 796 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 417 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 842 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 694 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 864 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 726 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 762 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 801 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 736 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 855 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 413 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 759 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 329 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1000 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 798 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 966 Views

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