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This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. Joel Send a noteboard - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM
He needs to learn to pick a horse and ride it instead of starting from a compromised position then fleeing to the right when they attack it. That scores no points and allays no fears with them, it just ensures the liberal base vital to his re-election is as enraged as the conservative base waiting for the GOP to tell them who to elect.

In this case, I happen to think it wrong to force private, particularly religious, institutions with a stated opposition to contraception to nonetheless pay for it. I would like a little clarification; an HHS "policy" or "rule" is not a federal LAW, so I am unsure what we are talking about here. Is it something that truly requires religious employers to pay for contraception, or another one of those "the feds partially fund you and you will not receive that money unless you do x" deals?

Politically though Obama is just doing another masterful job making the worst of a bad situation and outraging the entire political spectrum with a single issue.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1903 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 931 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 823 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 1003 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 668 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 575 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 948 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 602 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 542 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 556 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 986 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 517 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 928 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 799 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1806 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 2251 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 2295 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 2106 Views
Bullshit. - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2452 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 2170 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2346 Views
He is already preparing to cave. - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2339 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 2120 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 2195 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2339 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 901 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 1084 Views
Money is not the same as speech! - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 805 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 1055 Views
One last point - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 1147 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 919 Views
You argument does not make sense - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 801 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 918 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 1036 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 994 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 2219 Views
In other words, I could. - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 728 Views
Some more points - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 1049 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 1011 Views
I can't believe you just said that - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 843 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 1008 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 1036 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 969 Views
The polls disagree with you. - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 907 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 963 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1080 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 771 Views
you have, sort of. - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 1027 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 961 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 963 Views
I know that. - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 991 Views
Understood. - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 898 Views
mmm... - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 959 Views

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