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It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM
If you see that as a win in a country where 70% self-identifies as Christian (before we even consider Muslims, Jews and members of other faiths,) OK.


I will repeat this link (I have already posted it once before directly to you, but it seems you didn't read it)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-white-house-sees-political-opportunity-in-the-contraception-battle/2012/02/07/gIQAZ9hryQ_blog.html

The problem with those polls is that they do not tell us the IMPORTANT demographic splits, namely, how many of those for and against requiring employer provided contraception coverage are far right conversatives who will never vote for Obama, far left liberals who always will, and moderates/independents on the fence. What makes the article interesting is the purported "intensity gap" in favor of contraceptive rights among independents. Maybe that is enough to make this a net political gain for Obama, but it is a bit of a gamble (for women as well as for him) that could have been avoided by just creating a public healthcare system like every other civilized country on the planet, and without infringing at all on the religious freedom of churches.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1624 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. Joel - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 656 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor MightyYT - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 539 Views
In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM 773 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 744 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 541 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* Aemon - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 438 Views
Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM 607 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 677 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* nossy - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 472 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 412 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* Isaac - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 436 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 710 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* Urza - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 388 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 652 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. TaskmasterJack - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 513 Views
The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM 808 Views
Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare Joel - 10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM 745 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1534 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? Joel - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 1972 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 1961 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 1823 Views
Bullshit. everynametaken - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2134 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. Joel - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 1901 Views
No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM 1846 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2061 Views
He is already preparing to cave. Joel - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2057 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 1833 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." Joel - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 1910 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2057 Views
Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM 1626 Views
Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM 1960 Views
No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM 1727 Views
"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM 2019 Views
Then that article is wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM 1978 Views
Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM 1964 Views
So in summary... the article you posted was wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM 1513 Views
To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM 758 Views
Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss Roland00 - 11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM 678 Views
So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM 823 Views
If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM 542 Views
Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM 615 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? Roland00 - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 629 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 764 Views
Money is not the same as speech! Aeryn - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 526 Views
And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions. Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM 765 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 756 Views
I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way." Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM 744 Views
Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM 686 Views
"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM 536 Views
The situation was identical to the pre obama controversy Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:42:57 AM 464 Views
The affiliation is the sticking point. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM 832 Views
One last point Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 849 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 624 Views
You argument does not make sense Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 526 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 642 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 714 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? Joel - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 706 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 1955 Views
In other words, I could. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 434 Views
You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM* Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM 448 Views
Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN* Joel - 11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM 716 Views
Some more points Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 778 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 700 Views
I can't believe you just said that Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 549 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. Joel - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 704 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 743 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 670 Views
The polls disagree with you. Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 625 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 671 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway Isaac - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 797 Views
Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM 673 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. TaskmasterJack - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 504 Views
There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM 524 Views
you have, sort of. nossy - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 718 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is nossy - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 682 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 681 Views
I know that. nossy - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 785 Views
Understood. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 660 Views
mmm... nossy - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 689 Views
The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate. Joel - 12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM 839 Views
I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for... DomA - 15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM 871 Views
Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY. Joel - 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM 741 Views
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