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It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM
If you see that as a win in a country where 70% self-identifies as Christian (before we even consider Muslims, Jews and members of other faiths,) OK.


I will repeat this link (I have already posted it once before directly to you, but it seems you didn't read it)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-white-house-sees-political-opportunity-in-the-contraception-battle/2012/02/07/gIQAZ9hryQ_blog.html

The problem with those polls is that they do not tell us the IMPORTANT demographic splits, namely, how many of those for and against requiring employer provided contraception coverage are far right conversatives who will never vote for Obama, far left liberals who always will, and moderates/independents on the fence. What makes the article interesting is the purported "intensity gap" in favor of contraceptive rights among independents. Maybe that is enough to make this a net political gain for Obama, but it is a bit of a gamble (for women as well as for him) that could have been avoided by just creating a public healthcare system like every other civilized country on the planet, and without infringing at all on the religious freedom of churches.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1931 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. Joel - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 960 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor MightyYT - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 860 Views
In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM 1079 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 1034 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 672 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* Aemon - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 585 Views
Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM 920 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 977 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* nossy - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 616 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 560 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* Isaac - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 564 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 1015 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* Urza - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 537 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 953 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. TaskmasterJack - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 821 Views
The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM 1123 Views
Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare Joel - 10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM 1084 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1835 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? Joel - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 2282 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 2329 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 2132 Views
Bullshit. everynametaken - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2486 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. Joel - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 2199 Views
No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM 2140 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2391 Views
He is already preparing to cave. Joel - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2358 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 2150 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." Joel - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 2223 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2364 Views
Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM 1774 Views
Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM 2237 Views
No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM 1908 Views
"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM 2372 Views
Then that article is wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM 2320 Views
Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM 2295 Views
So in summary... the article you posted was wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM 1868 Views
To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM 1079 Views
Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss Roland00 - 11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM 993 Views
So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM 1164 Views
If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM 856 Views
Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM 897 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? Roland00 - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 929 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 1100 Views
Money is not the same as speech! Aeryn - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 832 Views
And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions. Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM 1093 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 1092 Views
I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way." Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM 1112 Views
Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM 1008 Views
"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM 889 Views
The situation was identical to the pre obama controversy Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:42:57 AM 799 Views
The affiliation is the sticking point. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM 1155 Views
One last point Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 1185 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 932 Views
You argument does not make sense Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 823 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 936 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 1079 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? Joel - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 1036 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 2258 Views
In other words, I could. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 773 Views
You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM* Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM 583 Views
Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN* Joel - 11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM 1008 Views
Some more points Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 1070 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 1041 Views
I can't believe you just said that Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 857 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. Joel - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 1038 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 1077 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 996 Views
The polls disagree with you. Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 938 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 1003 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway Isaac - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1102 Views
Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM 1001 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. TaskmasterJack - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 808 Views
There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM 833 Views
you have, sort of. nossy - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 1050 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is nossy - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 974 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 989 Views
I know that. nossy - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 1028 Views
Understood. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 911 Views
mmm... nossy - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 994 Views
The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate. Joel - 12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM 1145 Views
I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for... DomA - 15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM 1204 Views
Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY. Joel - 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM 1062 Views
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