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I know that. nossy Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM
I was laughing for Obama got what he wanted in the end, he won getting contraception for free helping poor people and the political battle.

I know that as well. I was responding to you in the first bit, and Joel in the second.

His compromise was not really a compromise but instead rearranging what he wanted in the first place in a way that couldn't be political assaulted without making his opponents look crazy.

Well, it can be, and they are doing that now, but I agree with you more than I agree with them. I don't think that makes them look all that crazy - there are still a lot of Catholic groups out there who won't stand for even the compromise.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1780 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. Joel - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 812 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor MightyYT - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 700 Views
In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM 927 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 885 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 612 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* Aemon - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 513 Views
Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM 761 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 823 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* nossy - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 548 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 485 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* Isaac - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 503 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 861 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* Urza - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 462 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 809 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. TaskmasterJack - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 676 Views
The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM 975 Views
Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare Joel - 10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM 922 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1697 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? Joel - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 2130 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 2164 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 1981 Views
Bullshit. everynametaken - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2322 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. Joel - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 2051 Views
No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM 1973 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2221 Views
He is already preparing to cave. Joel - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2204 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 2003 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." Joel - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 2082 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2224 Views
Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM 1695 Views
Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM 2107 Views
No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM 1838 Views
"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM 2217 Views
Then that article is wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM 2163 Views
Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM 2131 Views
So in summary... the article you posted was wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM 1696 Views
To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM 920 Views
Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss Roland00 - 11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM 827 Views
So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM 995 Views
If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM 701 Views
Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM 762 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? Roland00 - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 782 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 958 Views
Money is not the same as speech! Aeryn - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 678 Views
And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions. Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM 943 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 924 Views
I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way." Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM 910 Views
Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM 844 Views
"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM 706 Views
The situation was identical to the pre obama controversy Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:42:57 AM 626 Views
The affiliation is the sticking point. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM 998 Views
One last point Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 1014 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 796 Views
You argument does not make sense Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 677 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 799 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 908 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? Joel - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 865 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 2098 Views
In other words, I could. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 599 Views
You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM* Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM 516 Views
Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN* Joel - 11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM 867 Views
Some more points Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 929 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 877 Views
I can't believe you just said that Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 712 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. Joel - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 869 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 904 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 829 Views
The polls disagree with you. Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 791 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 839 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway Isaac - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 966 Views
Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM 833 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. TaskmasterJack - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 658 Views
There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM 674 Views
you have, sort of. nossy - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 900 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is nossy - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 835 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 837 Views
I know that. nossy - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 930 Views
Understood. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 784 Views
mmm... nossy - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 843 Views
The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate. Joel - 12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM 989 Views
I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for... DomA - 15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM 1050 Views
Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY. Joel - 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM 900 Views
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