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So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... Tom Send a noteboard - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM
I'm not sure how many people have seen this, but apparently election-related stories, the Syrian civil war, imbeciles protesting a moronic Mohammed film and terrorists killing our ambassador to Libya are not enough news. A tiny scrap of papyrus was found in Egypt that purports to say that Jesus said "my wife" at one point in the document.

Why is this news?

First, of course, Gnostic groups (which flourished in Egypt in the Second and Third Centuries AD) loved the whole motif of the married Jesus, something that Dan Brown cannibalized and reconstructed in his own sad and idiomatic way. It's not like it's a huge revelation.

Second, however, the text itself seems suspect. When I looked at the text, two things stuck out: (1) the part that they say says "my" (in Coptic, "ta") looks darker than the surrounding text, which could imply a forgery of that particular word, and (2) the text prior to that is very hard to read, and the word for "wife" is also simply the word for "woman" as well (as in many ancient languages), so it might not be "peje IC nau tahime" (literally, "said JS to-them my-wife") but instead "peje IC xxxxx hime" (or "said JS xxxxx woman"). The name of Jesus is abbreviated as a capital iota and sigma with a line above it, but I couldn't reproduce that very easily online.

Essentially, the whole thing is stupid.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM 1471 Views
That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 719 Views
What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church. - 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM 1091 Views
Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride" - 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM 1058 Views
What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God? - 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM 1043 Views
BRIDE - 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM 1019 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 1016 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 968 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 972 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 1045 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 999 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 1023 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 1015 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 997 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 930 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 1009 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 924 Views
True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice. - 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM 977 Views
Some people did "lie big". - 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM 991 Views
I forgot about (or possibly repressed memories of) the Gnostics "Gospel" of Peter. - 24/09/2012 11:26:43 PM 1100 Views
I'm not trying to defend Gnosticism doctrinally, but... - 24/09/2012 11:51:40 PM 1033 Views
I am not relying SOLELY (or chiefly) on popularity though. - 25/09/2012 02:21:01 AM 1035 Views
The Gnostic response would be: - 25/09/2012 06:01:58 AM 940 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 1029 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 998 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 1144 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 934 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 1025 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 1029 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 866 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 1102 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 1012 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 1235 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 1007 Views

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