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That makes sense for an eternal God, but sounds like a wife who remains a bride. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 08:56:07 PM
I do not agree with you at all that the passage could mean anything other than what the scholars are claiming. The "Bride of Christ" language always uses the word "bride" because this mirrors the "Bride of God" language of the prophets when used to describe Israel. I even looked, and looked, and found one place where the word "wife" is used in Revelation, but it's a bad translation, because the Greek original uses "bride" and not "wife" there as well. I then followed all those passages in the Coptic and they are uniform in the use of "bride". There is a very good reason, too - the relationship between Christ and His Church is ever fresh and new, always a celebration and a feast; he is forever the bridegroom and the Church is forever the bride. The "honeymoon" never ends.

Again I refer to the OT metaphor on which the NT one is modeled: The Prophets routinely condemned Israels adulterously whoring after idols AFTER God chose and exalted her as His wife (or bride if that is the more precise term; the distinction is trivial for that rationale.) The recurring theme is of an innocent and chaste Israel grown proud and promiscuous AFTER marriage to God, and thus cast out in His wrath. Otherwise Israel would be guilty of "only" fornication, because there would be no husband against whom to be adulterous. Hosea DOES make the metaphor literal, when God commands he deliberately wed a prostitute, and give children other men then father names symbolizing Gods condemnation of Israel.

So, OK, we are dealing with a newlywed wife in the NT, but it is hard to see how the Church is not still a WIFE, albeit a perpetually wedding one.

What does the newfound text actually say though? If it is similarly metaphorical it lends no credibility to Gnostic legends whether it uses the term "wife," "bride" or "space shuttle," because a metaphor is just that. If it speaks of a literal being as Christs human companion, that would be different, though use of the term "wife" also undermines the newfound texts credibility, since both the Tanakh and the rest of the NT use "bride" repeatedly and exclusively.
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So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM 1174 Views
That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 517 Views
What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church. - 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM 795 Views
Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride" - 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM 761 Views
What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God? - 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM 769 Views
BRIDE - 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM 747 Views
That makes sense for an eternal God, but sounds like a wife who remains a bride. - 20/09/2012 08:56:07 PM 824 Views
It's "bride" in the Old Testament as well. - 20/09/2012 09:48:37 PM 759 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 745 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 680 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 693 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 766 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 664 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 745 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 706 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 721 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 663 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 681 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 637 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 778 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 713 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 855 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 658 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 764 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 689 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 602 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 766 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 748 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 870 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 730 Views

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