That makes sense for an eternal God, but sounds like a wife who remains a bride.
Joel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 08:56:07 PM
I do not agree with you at all that the passage could mean anything other than what the scholars are claiming. The "Bride of Christ" language always uses the word "bride" because this mirrors the "Bride of God" language of the prophets when used to describe Israel. I even looked, and looked, and found one place where the word "wife" is used in Revelation, but it's a bad translation, because the Greek original uses "bride" and not "wife" there as well. I then followed all those passages in the Coptic and they are uniform in the use of "bride". There is a very good reason, too - the relationship between Christ and His Church is ever fresh and new, always a celebration and a feast; he is forever the bridegroom and the Church is forever the bride. The "honeymoon" never ends.
Again I refer to the OT metaphor on which the NT one is modeled: The Prophets routinely condemned Israels adulterously whoring after idols AFTER God chose and exalted her as His wife (or bride if that is the more precise term; the distinction is trivial for that rationale.) The recurring theme is of an innocent and chaste Israel grown proud and promiscuous AFTER marriage to God, and thus cast out in His wrath. Otherwise Israel would be guilty of "only" fornication, because there would be no husband against whom to be adulterous. Hosea DOES make the metaphor literal, when God commands he deliberately wed a prostitute, and give children other men then father names symbolizing Gods condemnation of Israel.
So, OK, we are dealing with a newlywed wife in the NT, but it is hard to see how the Church is not still a WIFE, albeit a perpetually wedding one.
What does the newfound text actually say though? If it is similarly metaphorical it lends no credibility to Gnostic legends whether it uses the term "wife," "bride" or "space shuttle," because a metaphor is just that. If it speaks of a literal being as Christs human companion, that would be different, though use of the term "wife" also undermines the newfound texts credibility, since both the Tanakh and the rest of the NT use "bride" repeatedly and exclusively.
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So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds...
- 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM
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That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM*
- 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM
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What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church.
- 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM
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Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride"
- 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM
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What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God?
- 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM
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BRIDE
- 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM
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I love your last two sentences. They're a really nice description.
*NM*
- 20/09/2012 07:58:19 PM
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*NM*
- 20/09/2012 07:58:19 PM
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That makes sense for an eternal God, but sounds like a wife who remains a bride.
- 20/09/2012 08:56:07 PM
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It's "bride" in the Old Testament as well.
- 20/09/2012 09:48:37 PM
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The distinction is important for preserving the newlywed condition, but not for this fragment.
- 20/09/2012 11:21:52 PM
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Two things why it is important
- 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM
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Did someone hit you over the head? "Two things why it is important"? Really?
- 20/09/2012 03:50:02 PM
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Something I forgot to ask you about last night: What is your take on Daniels messianic prophecy?
- 20/09/2012 09:21:32 PM
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I don't get that at all. "And will be no more", or "And will have nothing" is better.
- 20/09/2012 10:13:20 PM
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It is the King James text, which I have never heard anyone call heretical.
- 20/09/2012 11:15:54 PM
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The King James Bible is aesthetically pleasing but a bad translation.
- 21/09/2012 12:03:00 AM
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I like the NKJV because it tries to include all ambiguities.
- 21/09/2012 12:47:38 AM
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There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD:
- 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM
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The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD.
- 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM
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What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it?
- 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM
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The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies
- 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM
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I would buy 200 AD, of course.
- 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM
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It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point.
- 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM
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Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD.
- 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM
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I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors.
- 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM
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Not even Mark or Luke?
- 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM
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Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek
- 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM
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True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice.
- 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM
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Some people did "lie big".
- 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM
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I forgot about (or possibly repressed memories of) the Gnostics "Gospel" of Peter.
- 24/09/2012 11:26:43 PM
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I'm not trying to defend Gnosticism doctrinally, but...
- 24/09/2012 11:51:40 PM
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I am not relying SOLELY (or chiefly) on popularity though.
- 25/09/2012 02:21:01 AM
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The Gnostic response would be:
- 25/09/2012 06:01:58 AM
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That just sounds like more conspiracy allegations based on desire rather than evidence.
- 25/09/2012 07:15:06 AM
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The issue of evidence for Gnosticism would make this thread unnecessarily long.
- 25/09/2012 07:28:22 PM
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What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition?
- 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM
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Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago.
- 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM
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Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well
- 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM
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Let's not get started on Funk
- 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM
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don't these people have anything better to do?
- 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM
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Clearly not.
- 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM
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