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Exiled cleric who taught UK knifeman praises 'courage'
By Dominic Evans - Reuters – 10 hrs ago.

TRIPOLI, Lebanon (Reuters) - A Syrian-born Islamist cleric who taught one of the men accused of hacking to death an off-duty British soldier on a London street praised the attack for its "courage" and said Muslims would see it as a strike on a military target.

In an interview in Tripoli, northern Lebanon, where he has lived since being banished from Britain in 2005, Omar Bakri, founder of banned British Islamist group Al Muhajiroun, said he knew suspect Michael Adebolajo from his lectures a decade ago.

"When I saw the footage I recognized the face immediately," Bakri told Reuters. "I used to know him. A quiet man, very shy, asking lots of questions about Islam."

"What surprised me (is) the quiet man, the man who is very shy, decided to carry out an attack against a British soldier in the middle of the day in the middle of a street in the UK. In east London. It's incredible.

"When I saw that, honestly I was very surprised - standing firm, courageous, brave. Not running away. Rather, he said why he carried (it out) and he wanted the whole world to hear it."

The attack has been vociferously condemned by Muslim organizations across Britain.

Adebolajo, 28, a British-born convert from a Christian Nigerian immigrant family, went by the nickname Mujahid - warrior - after taking up Islam as a teenager in a suburb on the northeast outskirts of London.

He was filmed with his hands still covered with the blood of Afghan war veteran Lee Rigby, 25, after the attack. Clutching a butcher's knife and meat cleaver, he said the killing was revenge for British participation in wars in foreign countries.

He and a second knife-wielding attacker, Nigerian-born naturalized British citizen Michael Adebowale, 22, are in hospital after being shot by police during their arrest. They have yet to be charged. Police have also arrested another man and a woman under suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

"WE DON'T SLEEP ON OUR GRIEVANCES"

The interview with Bakri in his flat in the Abu Samra district of Tripoli was twice interrupted by his infant son Osama, who broke into the room playing with a plastic toy. The boy was named after slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"He is supposed to go fight (U.S. President Barack) Obama in the future, and maybe to deal with the Obama of his times. We called him after... Sheikh Osama," Bakri said, smiling often as he spoke but lacing light-hearted comments with hints of menace.

After a photographer took his picture, the bearded Bakri, wearing a black cloak over white trousers and white leather shoes, mockingly adopted a threatening pose.

"We know the media, they just want evil pictures," he said. "But we are going to be in power soon... Don't think that we sleep on our grievances. That Michael, after 10 years, he killed (the soldier) in front of everyone ... Was he a man or not?"

"The prophet (Mohammad) said an infidel and his killer will not meet in Hell. That's a beautiful saying," he said. "May God reward (Adebolajo) for his actions."

Bakri said British authorities were inviting retaliation by targeting Muslims with anti-terrorist legislation and police raids.

"If you breach the covenant of security with Muslims you are digging your grave," he said. "I cannot condemn what Michael did. I don't see it as a crime as far as Islam is concerned".

He said radical Islam was winning the bulk of converts in Britain and scoffed at the "moderate chocolate" Muslims who he said are "always melting the way the West wants them to be - they never stand for what they believe".

"They are just a waste of space".

Bakri said his organization Al Muhajiroun had nothing to do with the attack because members had not seen Adebolajo since 2005. However, Anjem Choudary, who took over the leadership of Al Muhajiroun when Bakri was exiled from Britain, has told Reuters Adebolajo attended the group's events until about two years ago.

"Maybe Michael, in the eyes of many people in Britain, Muslim and non-Muslim, they don't condone what he did. They condemn it. But in the eyes of Muslims around the world they don't see him the same way. The Muslims in this country, they are so happy, proud of him. They see him as a freedom fighter attacking a military target."

Bakri said he had been living in Lebanon since 2005, under an agreement by which Lebanon prevents him from leaving the country for 30 years. But he said he was in daily contact with students in Britain.

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You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1452 Views
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I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1605 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 865 Views
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And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1389 Views
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Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1512 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1515 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1589 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1612 Views
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Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1414 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1504 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1839 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1658 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1513 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1517 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1545 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1387 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1368 Views
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Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1553 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1449 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1369 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1449 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1356 Views
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Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1455 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1408 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 810 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1706 Views
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Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1382 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1483 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1458 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1643 Views
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Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1564 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1475 Views
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It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 1005 Views
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That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1479 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 926 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1526 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1363 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1579 Views
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Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1358 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1622 Views
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*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1376 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1546 Views
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1441 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1557 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1504 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1524 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1471 Views
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Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1474 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1460 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 920 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1401 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1433 Views
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This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1589 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1564 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1420 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1525 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 850 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1466 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1411 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1609 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1524 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1612 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1618 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1844 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1673 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1528 Views
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His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 911 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 844 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1571 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1564 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1691 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1471 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 836 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 827 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 835 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1407 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 874 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1436 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 887 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1371 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1493 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1580 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1419 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 856 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1473 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1473 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1344 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1386 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1301 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1472 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 875 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1658 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2205 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1536 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1409 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1620 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2188 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1588 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2164 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1557 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1983 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1793 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1171 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1500 Views

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