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Exiled cleric who taught UK knifeman praises 'courage'
By Dominic Evans - Reuters – 10 hrs ago.

TRIPOLI, Lebanon (Reuters) - A Syrian-born Islamist cleric who taught one of the men accused of hacking to death an off-duty British soldier on a London street praised the attack for its "courage" and said Muslims would see it as a strike on a military target.

In an interview in Tripoli, northern Lebanon, where he has lived since being banished from Britain in 2005, Omar Bakri, founder of banned British Islamist group Al Muhajiroun, said he knew suspect Michael Adebolajo from his lectures a decade ago.

"When I saw the footage I recognized the face immediately," Bakri told Reuters. "I used to know him. A quiet man, very shy, asking lots of questions about Islam."

"What surprised me (is) the quiet man, the man who is very shy, decided to carry out an attack against a British soldier in the middle of the day in the middle of a street in the UK. In east London. It's incredible.

"When I saw that, honestly I was very surprised - standing firm, courageous, brave. Not running away. Rather, he said why he carried (it out) and he wanted the whole world to hear it."

The attack has been vociferously condemned by Muslim organizations across Britain.

Adebolajo, 28, a British-born convert from a Christian Nigerian immigrant family, went by the nickname Mujahid - warrior - after taking up Islam as a teenager in a suburb on the northeast outskirts of London.

He was filmed with his hands still covered with the blood of Afghan war veteran Lee Rigby, 25, after the attack. Clutching a butcher's knife and meat cleaver, he said the killing was revenge for British participation in wars in foreign countries.

He and a second knife-wielding attacker, Nigerian-born naturalized British citizen Michael Adebowale, 22, are in hospital after being shot by police during their arrest. They have yet to be charged. Police have also arrested another man and a woman under suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

"WE DON'T SLEEP ON OUR GRIEVANCES"

The interview with Bakri in his flat in the Abu Samra district of Tripoli was twice interrupted by his infant son Osama, who broke into the room playing with a plastic toy. The boy was named after slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"He is supposed to go fight (U.S. President Barack) Obama in the future, and maybe to deal with the Obama of his times. We called him after... Sheikh Osama," Bakri said, smiling often as he spoke but lacing light-hearted comments with hints of menace.

After a photographer took his picture, the bearded Bakri, wearing a black cloak over white trousers and white leather shoes, mockingly adopted a threatening pose.

"We know the media, they just want evil pictures," he said. "But we are going to be in power soon... Don't think that we sleep on our grievances. That Michael, after 10 years, he killed (the soldier) in front of everyone ... Was he a man or not?"

"The prophet (Mohammad) said an infidel and his killer will not meet in Hell. That's a beautiful saying," he said. "May God reward (Adebolajo) for his actions."

Bakri said British authorities were inviting retaliation by targeting Muslims with anti-terrorist legislation and police raids.

"If you breach the covenant of security with Muslims you are digging your grave," he said. "I cannot condemn what Michael did. I don't see it as a crime as far as Islam is concerned".

He said radical Islam was winning the bulk of converts in Britain and scoffed at the "moderate chocolate" Muslims who he said are "always melting the way the West wants them to be - they never stand for what they believe".

"They are just a waste of space".

Bakri said his organization Al Muhajiroun had nothing to do with the attack because members had not seen Adebolajo since 2005. However, Anjem Choudary, who took over the leadership of Al Muhajiroun when Bakri was exiled from Britain, has told Reuters Adebolajo attended the group's events until about two years ago.

"Maybe Michael, in the eyes of many people in Britain, Muslim and non-Muslim, they don't condone what he did. They condemn it. But in the eyes of Muslims around the world they don't see him the same way. The Muslims in this country, they are so happy, proud of him. They see him as a freedom fighter attacking a military target."

Bakri said he had been living in Lebanon since 2005, under an agreement by which Lebanon prevents him from leaving the country for 30 years. But he said he was in daily contact with students in Britain.

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 3038 Views
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Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1633 Views
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FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1644 Views
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The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 978 Views
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Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1584 Views
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You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1474 Views
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I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1633 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 887 Views
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... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 931 Views
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I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1519 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1415 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1586 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1537 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1541 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1624 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1642 Views
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Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1438 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1529 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1866 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1689 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1539 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1546 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1574 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1412 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1390 Views
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Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1582 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1477 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1394 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1479 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1385 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1453 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1482 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1431 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 827 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1729 Views
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Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1401 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1511 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1480 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1669 Views
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Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1587 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1500 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1462 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 1024 Views
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That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1502 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 947 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1557 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1387 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1605 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1538 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1385 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1644 Views
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*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1404 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1569 Views
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1471 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1580 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1534 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1547 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1491 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 895 Views
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Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1499 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1490 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 942 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1427 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1459 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1466 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1614 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1594 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1446 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1550 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 872 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1493 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1436 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1640 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1548 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1646 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1641 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1875 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1700 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1558 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1538 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 930 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 866 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1602 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1591 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1714 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1496 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 857 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 846 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 853 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1431 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 889 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1458 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 921 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1399 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1521 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1614 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1443 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 875 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1498 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1498 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1366 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1415 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1327 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1504 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 895 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1686 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2228 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1565 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1432 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1644 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2210 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1612 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2183 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1587 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 2003 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1822 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1191 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1533 Views

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