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You're not going far enough, man. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM
A military tribunal would be over in 2 hours and a bullet is less than $1 in cost. Try, convict, execute all in the same day. These pieces of shit do not deserve the due process of US courts because they should be tried in war tribunals.

I mean, you're absolutely right when you say below this will only embolden Americas foes by making us look weak. But your proposal is too small to have an effect. We need something more definitive, something to generate... I dunno, call it, maybe, "shock and awe" and then, once the rest of the world fears us enough, is, if you will, TERRIFIED enough, they'll do as we say. You're on the right track; we're not dealing with human beings and shouldn't treat them as such. But you need to think bigger, maybe blow up some large offices with thousands of civilians inside at the time. After all, killing thousands is only wrong if you kill the wrong ones. As long as you can establish, at least in your own mind, that the people you're killing aren't really PEOPLE at all, anything you do to them is legitimate.

Still, it's good that you're thinking constructively; keep at it, and Death to Not-America!

If their tactics are valid, if their motives are pure, why are we fighting them? And if we are, in fact, fighting them, why do so many suggest we adopt the very practices we claim to abhor? Not that I really believe a military tribunal would be over in a couple hours; the Allies started preparing for Nuremberg in 1942 and concluded the final trail in 1949. The chief American prosecutor and two Supreme Court Justices (both of whom sided with FDR in Quirin) still had harsh words for them. The consensus, even among Justices who found for the US in Quirin, seems to have been that the Allies were making up laws as they went to satisfy the thirst for vengeance rather than justice, hence we ignored the cases where France, Britain and/or Russia did things that earned Nazis dishonorable death. The only mention of them at Nuremberg was specifically exempting Soviet leaders from charges and falsely declaring the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact a forgery. So, yeah, we can go that route, but let's not call it justice; leave the self-righteous hypocrisy to bin Laden.

If, like so many, you wish to stand on the horrible Quirin precedent, bear in mind the SCOTUS ruled last June that "the Military Commissions Act could not remove the right for Guantanamo captives to access the US Federal Court system" (i.e. you don't get to make someone a non-person just by slapping a never defined "enemy combatant" label on them. )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant

You suggest we ignore both the SCOTUS and the AGs clearly stated position. Not so long ago the VP himself called that treason. The good old days, I suppose.

When you've become the enemy, they've won. It disturbs and saddens me that the more enthusiastic a person is about fighting terrorism the more likely they are to endorse it. We are not them. We are better. I will not let them turn my democracy into a police state, fill it with kangaroo courts standing by to summarily execute all sub-humans deviating from what they subjectively claim to be the indisputable truth, where the most vocal form of dissent possible is going out on your balcony to say "God is great" at a pre-arranged time, afraid even that will see you arrested and killed, your family arrested and beaten while you watch. NO enemy, foreign or domestic, will do that to my country while I breathe.
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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 1148 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 634 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 657 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 656 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 633 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 586 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 595 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 606 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 603 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 630 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 519 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 520 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 620 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 515 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 603 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 526 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 561 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 560 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 550 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 669 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 589 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 532 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 552 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 619 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 534 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 706 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 673 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 689 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 564 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 568 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 623 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 583 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 628 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 563 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 601 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 256 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 532 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 642 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 365 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 683 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 675 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 639 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 765 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 436 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 611 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 229 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 600 Views

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