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Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. The Name With No Man Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM
that all terrorist groups have political reasons for their deeds. That's pretty much part of the definition of terrorism - using violence in order to make a political entity do something you want. There's no "mislabeling" about it.

I agree that the rules and laws governing civil justice in the US - some of which are, as I've argued before on these boards, seriously exaggerated in favour of the defendant - shouldn't apply to al Qaeda prisoners captured abroad, though, and trying them in military courts may well be the best alternative. If they're captured in the US, otoh, I'm not sure what makes them different from e.g. Timothy McVeigh.

American. No subhuman terrorist at all. A human terrorist. I'm unclear on the difference, but perhaps one of our fellows can enlighten us both. I'm hoping it involves more than being American.

However, I don't believe many Constitutional rights are geographically specific. It's not like you can avoid the American legal system by committing crimes against it in another country. If American justice can prosecute Americans for patronizing juvenile Thai brothels and extradict them for statutory rapes from 30 years ago, I think they can prosecute foreign nationals for mass murder, too. A lot of our laws are exaggerated on the defendants behalf, but we had to choose whether to prioritize guilt or innocence and did so on the basis of that John Adams quote I like so much. When people lose respect for the law they soon ignore it (indeed, it's happened to some extent already) and that is not in societys interest any more than executing the innocent is.

Regardless, I'm not going to call bin Laden a general or his people soldiers. I can respect the soldier willing to die for his beliefs, but the terrorist murdering unarmed innocent bystanders for them does nothing respectable. I won't treat him like an animal, because neither of us is one, but I'm not going to grant him any special status either. No, we weren't at war with "The Aryan Republican Army" in Oklahoma and we aren't at war with Al Qaeda now. That gives them far more honor than they're due, and insults real soldiers.
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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 1212 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 683 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 710 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 705 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 683 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 637 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 645 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 653 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 648 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 674 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 566 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 566 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 696 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 564 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 650 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 573 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 609 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 634 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 601 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 717 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 639 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 579 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 617 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 669 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 586 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 756 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 722 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 750 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 615 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 611 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 689 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 624 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 678 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 604 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 655 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 276 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 577 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 705 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 395 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 739 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 746 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 687 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 823 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 499 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 674 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 250 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 642 Views

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