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And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality. Tom Send a noteboard - 22/11/2009 11:47:17 PM
The reality is that it is unclear if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or the others were properly given Miranda warnings and at the proper time. It is further unclear what percentage of evidence amassed against them would be inadmissible for one reason or another (allegations of torture, suggestions of unreasonable search and seizure leading to the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine being employed, etc.).

The point of military tribunals is that they satisfy Constitutional demands that the Supreme Court has declared to be "universal" without forcing the case into the straightjacket of Federal criminal procedure. That Federal criminal procedure was almost certainly not followed as US military forces operate on a completely different principle than domestic US law enforcement officers.

While Khalid Sheikh Mohammed may be brazen enough to plead guilty just to become a martyr, we can't be certain of that and we set a precedent that could let other terrorists go free on procedural grounds. What distinguishes military action against terrorists from police action against criminals is that we don't play by the same rules (and indeed can't, if we want to fight effectively).

When one considers the complete waste of money that this will lead to, the ensuing media circus (whether or not cameras are permitted in the courtroom) and the delay, it is a further insult to those who have fought to rid the world of these odious individuals.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 1148 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 635 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 657 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 656 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 633 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 586 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 595 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 606 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 603 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 630 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 520 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 520 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 620 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 516 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 603 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 527 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 561 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 560 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 550 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 669 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 589 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 532 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 552 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 619 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 535 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 707 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 674 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 689 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 564 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 569 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 624 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 584 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 628 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 563 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 601 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 256 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 532 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 643 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 365 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 683 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 675 Views
And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality. - 22/11/2009 11:47:17 PM 537 Views
We've had Mohammed in custody for over 6 years... - 23/11/2009 07:56:49 AM 610 Views
I've already responded to your absurd statements, but let me reiterate a few here - 23/11/2009 02:59:09 PM 505 Views
And I've responded to yours - 24/11/2009 04:57:58 AM 586 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 640 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 765 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 436 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 611 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 229 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 601 Views

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