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I like that article, actually. nossy Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 03:58:39 PM
Incidentally this is from the same site, NRO, that published Dan Pipes article that Zakaria is talking about, I think it counters his substantive points (everything not referring to Palin) fairly well


I agree that it does cover the substantive points, which is the kind of discussion I'd want to see in response to my post.

I cannot/would not argue that we could be sure the "right" hands could always maintain control of the button, should Iran obtain nuclear weapons. That is a strong point. However, I don't see (and this was what I liked most about Zakaria's article) how further violence from us, in a "region where war is as much a norm as peace," can be the answer, especially when we would have little to no support for another such strike. Not out of the middle of nowhere, and certainly not to make Obama look tougher.

My point, and, I feel, Zakaria's point, is that we will be fighting them for eons if WE don't make some attempt at helping them reform the region. They certainly aren't going to change tomorrow, by any means, but attacking Iran currently would bring about the cascading results he discussed (and make it harder for any sort of positive reform in the future):

"But this does not change the powerful calculus against a military strike, which would most likely delay the Iranian program by only a few years. And then there are the political consequences. The regime would gain support as ordinary Iranians rally around the flag. The opposition would be forced to support a government under attack from abroad. The regime would foment and fund violence from Afghanistan to Iraq and across the Persian Gulf. The price of oil would skyrocket -- which, ironically, would help Tehran pay for all these operations."
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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM 905 Views
Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM 428 Views
Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for. - 23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM 474 Views
No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument" - 23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM 501 Views
She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way. - 23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM 493 Views
As I have noted it isn't conseratives that keep bring her up - 23/02/2010 03:26:11 PM 422 Views
and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are. - 23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM 450 Views
dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option - 23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM 546 Views
The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation. - 23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM 389 Views
yes American used the bomb so now we should let everyone else take a turn *NM* - 24/02/2010 06:22:23 AM 240 Views
It would certainly demonstrate the folly of that view. - 24/02/2010 06:49:56 AM 446 Views
well hell then why not just sel them nukes and get it over with - 24/02/2010 02:33:00 PM 448 Views
I really don't think the folly need be demonstrated more than once. - 28/02/2010 02:49:30 AM 381 Views
No I never played Civ - 28/02/2010 06:02:38 PM 464 Views
It's a classic, you should. - 28/02/2010 06:19:21 PM 520 Views
Oh. - 23/02/2010 02:07:32 PM 404 Views
Sheesh! - 23/02/2010 02:11:34 PM 609 Views
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I think this guy lives on the moon - 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM 533 Views
Ehm. I disagree strongly with your opinion of Mr. Zakaria. - 23/02/2010 03:23:09 PM 546 Views
Views on him tend to be polar - 23/02/2010 04:06:04 PM 596 Views
I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here. - 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM 512 Views
You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego - 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM 499 Views
Oh, it was on AIM. - 24/02/2010 01:13:07 PM 563 Views
Should've been on wotmania Skype chat. - 25/02/2010 12:47:42 PM 419 Views
Here's an article in response to Zakaria's article - 23/02/2010 03:19:41 PM 545 Views
I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 03:58:39 PM 441 Views
Re: I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 04:22:27 PM 444 Views
I don't believe they can be stopped - 23/02/2010 10:37:47 PM 433 Views
One thing he forgets... - 24/02/2010 12:19:12 AM 456 Views
Iran is a thorny problem - 24/02/2010 05:38:09 AM 458 Views
I still don't believe North Korea harmless. - 24/02/2010 06:59:15 AM 561 Views
I never used the term 'harmless' - 24/02/2010 10:01:14 PM 496 Views
Fair point, sorry. - 25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM 555 Views
No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 426 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 28/02/2010 02:30:26 AM 562 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 01/03/2010 03:53:58 PM 441 Views
A carrot without a stick is just a free carrot. - 02/03/2010 08:01:23 AM 540 Views
It's not a carrot/stick thing at all - 02/03/2010 04:29:00 PM 536 Views
Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but it doesn't seem that way. - 05/03/2010 01:02:57 AM 589 Views
They can hit Tokyo - 25/02/2010 06:10:44 PM 454 Views
So? - 25/02/2010 07:01:37 PM 614 Views
I think you are grossly overestimating our border security - 25/02/2010 08:03:13 PM 391 Views
Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it. - 25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM 478 Views
Yes you are the Great Cold War Warrior of the chairforce - 28/02/2010 06:44:31 PM 507 Views
Oh I'm sorry - so you're not so much ignorant as idiot. - 01/03/2010 03:48:32 PM 387 Views
Is that what taught you in chairforce school loser boy? - 01/03/2010 04:33:53 PM 481 Views
Nope, it was the internet actually - 02/03/2010 04:31:36 PM 418 Views
Israel does not have the military capability to destroy or significantly damage Iran's nuclear sites - 24/02/2010 12:33:00 PM 545 Views
I agree, even if for different reasons. - 24/02/2010 01:01:00 PM 393 Views
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - and it shows to anyone who does - 24/02/2010 10:33:29 PM 497 Views
But... - 25/02/2010 12:44:15 AM 528 Views
Re: But... - 25/02/2010 05:52:07 PM 642 Views
Here's a few questions for you then. - 25/02/2010 02:55:00 AM 599 Views
You're not asking questions you're trying to support your point - 25/02/2010 06:49:28 PM 527 Views
I think this ties in well with this article - 25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM 458 Views
That's actually a really good idea - 25/02/2010 07:05:37 PM 390 Views

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