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dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option random thoughts Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM
I don't believe that the day Iran gets a nuclear device they will try and nuke New York. I do think Iran is a dangerous and destabilizing force in the entire region and that nukes will increase that by several orders of magnitude. If Iran was to send troops across the Turkmenistan border today to "protect" people of Iranian decent in that area we could kick them in the teeth and send them home. If they had nukes we would wring our hands and threaten sanctions.

What if we starting seeing Iranian troops in Lebanon? Are we going to risk going to war with a nuclear power over Lebanon? If they decided to hit our fleet in the gulf would we actually nuke Tehran? I don't think we would kill four or five million people to punish their leadership for taking out some of our ships.

If we believe that non-proliferation of nuclear weapons is a long term priority then we really need to draw the line somewhere. We should never have allowed NK to develop nukes and we could still pay a very dear price for that mistake but stopping them would have cost millions of lives and the capital of an allied nation. The argument that we should let one rogue nation have nukes because we couldn’t stop another and they haven’t blown anyone up yet is not a very sound argument.

If you did a pro con list for dealing with the fallout of another war in an Islamic nation and dealing with the fallout of a nuclear armed Middle East I think it would be an unbalanced list.
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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM 963 Views
Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred - 23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM 489 Views
Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for. - 23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM 532 Views
No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument" - 23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM 559 Views
She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way. - 23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM 546 Views
As I have noted it isn't conseratives that keep bring her up - 23/02/2010 03:26:11 PM 480 Views
and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are. - 23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM 511 Views
dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option - 23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM 610 Views
The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation. - 23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM 448 Views
yes American used the bomb so now we should let everyone else take a turn *NM* - 24/02/2010 06:22:23 AM 271 Views
It would certainly demonstrate the folly of that view. - 24/02/2010 06:49:56 AM 506 Views
well hell then why not just sel them nukes and get it over with - 24/02/2010 02:33:00 PM 517 Views
I really don't think the folly need be demonstrated more than once. - 28/02/2010 02:49:30 AM 435 Views
No I never played Civ - 28/02/2010 06:02:38 PM 521 Views
It's a classic, you should. - 28/02/2010 06:19:21 PM 574 Views
Oh. - 23/02/2010 02:07:32 PM 462 Views
Sheesh! - 23/02/2010 02:11:34 PM 666 Views
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I think this guy lives on the moon - 23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM 587 Views
Ehm. I disagree strongly with your opinion of Mr. Zakaria. - 23/02/2010 03:23:09 PM 606 Views
Views on him tend to be polar - 23/02/2010 04:06:04 PM 652 Views
I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here. - 23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM 570 Views
You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego - 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM 554 Views
Oh, it was on AIM. - 24/02/2010 01:13:07 PM 619 Views
Should've been on wotmania Skype chat. - 25/02/2010 12:47:42 PM 477 Views
Here's an article in response to Zakaria's article - 23/02/2010 03:19:41 PM 606 Views
I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 03:58:39 PM 497 Views
Re: I like that article, actually. - 23/02/2010 04:22:27 PM 504 Views
I don't believe they can be stopped - 23/02/2010 10:37:47 PM 488 Views
One thing he forgets... - 24/02/2010 12:19:12 AM 507 Views
Iran is a thorny problem - 24/02/2010 05:38:09 AM 515 Views
I still don't believe North Korea harmless. - 24/02/2010 06:59:15 AM 621 Views
I never used the term 'harmless' - 24/02/2010 10:01:14 PM 547 Views
Fair point, sorry. - 25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM 616 Views
No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 485 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 28/02/2010 02:30:26 AM 623 Views
Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position - 01/03/2010 03:53:58 PM 492 Views
A carrot without a stick is just a free carrot. - 02/03/2010 08:01:23 AM 596 Views
It's not a carrot/stick thing at all - 02/03/2010 04:29:00 PM 591 Views
Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but it doesn't seem that way. - 05/03/2010 01:02:57 AM 649 Views
They can hit Tokyo - 25/02/2010 06:10:44 PM 511 Views
So? - 25/02/2010 07:01:37 PM 661 Views
I think you are grossly overestimating our border security - 25/02/2010 08:03:13 PM 448 Views
Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it. - 25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM 530 Views
Yes you are the Great Cold War Warrior of the chairforce - 28/02/2010 06:44:31 PM 560 Views
Oh I'm sorry - so you're not so much ignorant as idiot. - 01/03/2010 03:48:32 PM 436 Views
Is that what taught you in chairforce school loser boy? - 01/03/2010 04:33:53 PM 533 Views
Nope, it was the internet actually - 02/03/2010 04:31:36 PM 469 Views
Israel does not have the military capability to destroy or significantly damage Iran's nuclear sites - 24/02/2010 12:33:00 PM 604 Views
I agree, even if for different reasons. - 24/02/2010 01:01:00 PM 451 Views
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - and it shows to anyone who does - 24/02/2010 10:33:29 PM 549 Views
But... - 25/02/2010 12:44:15 AM 591 Views
Re: But... - 25/02/2010 05:52:07 PM 698 Views
Here's a few questions for you then. - 25/02/2010 02:55:00 AM 660 Views
You're not asking questions you're trying to support your point - 25/02/2010 06:49:28 PM 576 Views
I think this ties in well with this article - 25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM 528 Views
That's actually a really good idea - 25/02/2010 07:05:37 PM 445 Views

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