You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego
Isaac Send a noteboard - 24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM
Publicly proclaiming stupid nonsense and knowing it is the speciality of not just the current Iranian regime, but the large majority of the Arab regimes as well, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you.
I would say they are worse about it than most of their neighbors.
In Iran's case, you might want to consider the defensive (yes, defensive, not offensive) strategic considerations behind those statements - and behind the attempts to gain a nuclear warhead. Iran gains nothing by trying to attack Israel, and loses everything, and they know it very well.
I think some of them know it very well, but never forget how truly effective propaganda can be, say it long enough and you believe it. Large elements of their leadership really would like to exterminate Israel. I'm less worried about the current regime getting it then the current regime getting tossed out by even worse hardliners. Nukes are inherently defensive weapons, but only as long as everyone involved would rather live then kill their enemies or firmly believes that they will actually die if they try it. I prefer not to gamble much where fundamentalists who lean toward believing suicide is a good way to get into paradise go.
But threatening talk, besides keeping certain parts of the population happy, also serves to deter attacks on Iran - deterrence can work both ways. If Iran has a nuke that can hit Tel Aviv, that would be a serious deterrent against any attempt by the US or Israel to employ military means against Iran, for whatever reasons. They lose far more than they gain if they actually *employ* nuclear weapons, but to merely have them would gain them a significant advantage - or, looking at it from their point of view, restore some balance to the situation.
It really revolves more around power projection, assuming everyone involved remains very rational (which is a big assumption in this case) then you have Iran in a far more dominant position because they are effectively immune to invasion so long as they don't go too far. Having nukes means having a lot of muscle, especially when people take as a given you're aggressive. You don't invade nuclear powers, and they always know they have a decent bargaining chip if things go bad if they invade, interfere, etc. If Iran arms, others will too, other Arab nations will not feel safe having Israel and Iran on either side of them with nukes, insofar as they find both places seriously threatening to begin with. I don't think the world will come to an end if Iran get's the bomb, but I would prefer they didn't, and I really have few qualms with bombing them to stop it. I don't think we're there yet though.
And here you seem to misread Zakaria completely - your comment doesn't actually make any sense in reaction to that sentence, quite aside from whether or not one agrees with you.
You are actually quite correct, I totally misread that statement. Rereading it, I do not particular disagree with the statement though as I've mentioned, I think it would certainly be an extra motivation for them to do so, both out of fear of Iran and a feeling they would not have to risk anyone's wrath from the attempt, but yes, totally utterly misread that, thanks for pointing it out
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Why Iran's dictators can be deterred
23/02/2010 01:31:52 PM
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Not sure he showed us how they can be deterred
23/02/2010 01:56:42 PM
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Er yeah, that's totally the argument I was going for.
23/02/2010 02:06:52 PM
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No Palin was simply cover for the "we just have to accept Iran will get the bomb argument"
23/02/2010 02:26:45 PM
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She wasn't cover for anything, but I like how this argument keeps going that way.
23/02/2010 02:36:47 PM
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As I have noted it isn't conseratives that keep bring her up
23/02/2010 03:26:11 PM
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and I tried to take her out of the argument. But here we are.
23/02/2010 03:39:29 PM
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dealing with the repercussions of attacking another Islamic country may be our best option
23/02/2010 04:25:47 PM
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The world needs to decide how it feels about non-proliferation.
23/02/2010 07:11:51 PM
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yes American used the bomb so now we should let everyone else take a turn *NM*
24/02/2010 06:22:23 AM
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It would certainly demonstrate the folly of that view.
24/02/2010 06:49:56 AM
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well hell then why not just sel them nukes and get it over with
24/02/2010 02:33:00 PM
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I really don't think the folly need be demonstrated more than once.
28/02/2010 02:49:30 AM
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I think this guy lives on the moon
23/02/2010 02:51:20 PM
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I was just talking to Lupine about how I like your posts, but I'm gonna make an exception here.
23/02/2010 09:28:44 PM
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You'll have to link that then, I always like to read things that feed my ego
24/02/2010 12:17:37 AM
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Oh, it was on AIM.
24/02/2010 01:13:07 PM
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Ah well, I'll have to self feed my ego instead, fortunately I'm very good at that
25/02/2010 03:44:43 PM
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Here's an article in response to Zakaria's article
23/02/2010 03:19:41 PM
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I generally don't care for Fareed, but believe he's right this time.
23/02/2010 05:59:00 PM
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Iran is a thorny problem
24/02/2010 05:38:09 AM
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I still don't believe North Korea harmless.
24/02/2010 06:59:15 AM
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I never used the term 'harmless'
24/02/2010 10:01:14 PM
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Fair point, sorry.
25/02/2010 12:45:47 PM
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No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
25/02/2010 05:19:10 PM
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Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
28/02/2010 02:30:26 AM
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Re: No worries - I was just making sure you understood my position
01/03/2010 03:53:58 PM
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A carrot without a stick is just a free carrot.
02/03/2010 08:01:23 AM
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They can hit Tokyo
25/02/2010 06:10:44 PM
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So?
25/02/2010 07:01:37 PM
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I think you are grossly overestimating our border security
25/02/2010 08:03:13 PM
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Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it.
25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM
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Yes you are the Great Cold War Warrior of the chairforce
28/02/2010 06:44:31 PM
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Oh I'm sorry - so you're not so much ignorant as idiot.
01/03/2010 03:48:32 PM
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Israel does not have the military capability to destroy or significantly damage Iran's nuclear sites
24/02/2010 12:33:00 PM
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - and it shows to anyone who does
24/02/2010 10:33:29 PM
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I think this ties in well with this article
25/02/2010 09:56:04 AM
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It's going to happen regardless sooner or later; might as well get out in front and claim leadership
01/03/2010 06:29:57 AM
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