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Well, I KNOW you're ignorant about a lot of things and this shows it. SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 25/02/2010 08:56:45 PM
The tons of drugs that are smuggled into this country every year somewhat undercuts the argument that we can stop it at the border. Besides if you are setting it off in the San Francisco bay or the Hudson River you don't really need to go through customs. Primitive bombs are big but they are not so big that they couldn't fit in moderate sized pleasure boat and shielding isn’t really that complicated if you have room and can handle the added weight.



Things are far tighter than you think. Yes, drugs get into the country but that's not the same thing. Not even remotely.

Yes, you could put a primitive nuke on a pleasure boat. Yes, you might be able to get that into a harbour without anyone searching it. Maybe. But who's going to set it off? North Korea (to keep to the original discussion) isn't going to use suicide bombers - that's not their culture. A boat sitting there for a long time while a timer counted down would be noticed. You couldn't just leave it floating. It would be far better to try and land it someplace and bring it in by truck.

You're also neglecting the intelligence community which watches for stuff like this and they do a decent job or more of it would have happened already.

I'm not going to bother with specifics used by intel communities to track such things - they're too complex to get into here. Suffice to say that it is much harder than it is portrayed on TV.


We stop only a fraction of the drugs that come into this country, that wouldn’t really be good enough with nukes.


Straw man argument. There is an entire US community dedicated to receiving the drugs here, which is a huge part of why it succeeds. That would not be the case with a nuclear weapon.

Hell you could simply put it in a cargo container and have it set to go off if it is opened. Smuggling a nuke into the country would be risky but it wouldn't all that hard and 911 taught us they can find people who are willing and able to pull the trigger even if they are sitting on top of it.


Perspective, perspective. North Korea doesn't have that kind of culture (although Kim wishes it did). The Islamists don't have nukes. They might be willing to use them if they did but even they would have to consider the response. Right now they are trying to win based on politics and lies. 'See? The Americans killed women and children!' Yeah. Sometimes they do, but usually when they're being used as either human shields or bait.

Set off a nuke and all that 'we have to protect the innocent' stuff gets set by the wayside. Suddenly scorched earth is a lot more palatable on the political stage. It's a can of worms Al Quaeda would probably open but would probably regret - albeit not for very long.


As for the Cold War I think you are the one misunderstanding. The Cold War mindset is not <snip>


This is laughable.

I GREW UP in the US during the Cold War. Our schools tested air raid sirens twice weekly and we were educated as to where fallout shelters were.

I was an airman in the Strategic Air Command at the end of the Cold War before the fall of the Berlin Wall. I targeted nuclear weapons for B-52 bombers and we were the second Air Force Base in the world to receive operational B1-Bs during my time there. I had a security clearance that involved my friends and family being interviewed by FBI agents and worked behind a vault door with an internal sally port in an underground bunker guarded by SPs with automatic weapons and grenade launchers.

You're trying to tell ME what the Cold War was and was not? Sorry bucko. I lived it. And I'm willing to bet that you didn't.
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