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The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM

It's probably fair to say that presidents Bush and Obama both had ups and downs in their relationship with Putin, but neither party's voters were ever particularly fond of Russia or Putin. Until the whole mess started last year and a good number of Trump voters suddenly realized how great a guy Putin was. Or, you know 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', and nevermind that he's the dictator of a nation whose interests don't exactly align with America's.

Though to be fair, the same thing applies to the populist right in Europe - a 'strong' dictator whom the European establishment and lefty intellectuals loathe? Awesome!

But anyway, to get back to your point - I haven't seen much evidence yet that is very convincing about real collusion. I'm not aware of anyone who ever took Donald Trump Jr. seriously for a second, and he didn't have any role of importance in the campaign, so who cares if he met with some Russian lawyer or what he wrote in his emails? If it had been his sister, who actually matters, it might've been a different story, though still tenuous, so far. But collusion or not, you'd think that Russian interference in an American election, if proven, is a pretty big deal, regardless of who ultimately benefits. The fact that the stuff they released is genuine doesn't really change that.

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The truly amusing thing about all this. - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1151 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 557 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 460 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 635 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 520 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 550 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 574 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 523 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 260 Views
I don't need a defense.... - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 473 Views
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dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 374 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 648 Views
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That's a very good point that needs further exploration - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 549 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 505 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 504 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 595 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 577 Views
Are you sure? - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 431 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 581 Views
You've misunderstood me - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 575 Views
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You made the right choice, then. *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 304 Views
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The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 602 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 667 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 325 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1173 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 513 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 714 Views
Good idea. - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 561 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 580 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 600 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 295 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 535 Views

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