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The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM

It's probably fair to say that presidents Bush and Obama both had ups and downs in their relationship with Putin, but neither party's voters were ever particularly fond of Russia or Putin. Until the whole mess started last year and a good number of Trump voters suddenly realized how great a guy Putin was. Or, you know 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', and nevermind that he's the dictator of a nation whose interests don't exactly align with America's.

Though to be fair, the same thing applies to the populist right in Europe - a 'strong' dictator whom the European establishment and lefty intellectuals loathe? Awesome!

But anyway, to get back to your point - I haven't seen much evidence yet that is very convincing about real collusion. I'm not aware of anyone who ever took Donald Trump Jr. seriously for a second, and he didn't have any role of importance in the campaign, so who cares if he met with some Russian lawyer or what he wrote in his emails? If it had been his sister, who actually matters, it might've been a different story, though still tenuous, so far. But collusion or not, you'd think that Russian interference in an American election, if proven, is a pretty big deal, regardless of who ultimately benefits. The fact that the stuff they released is genuine doesn't really change that.

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The truly amusing thing about all this. - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1203 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 589 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 491 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 665 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 553 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 579 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 613 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 552 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 277 Views
I don't need a defense.... - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 508 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 643 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 393 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 684 Views
Yes - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 564 Views
Bah - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 516 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 568 Views
I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 587 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 576 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 527 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 531 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 632 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 603 Views
Are you sure? - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 459 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 606 Views
You've misunderstood me - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 605 Views
I don't think I have. - 15/07/2017 02:34:27 AM 546 Views
No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 03:09:04 AM 623 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 15/07/2017 05:07:42 AM 560 Views
Re: No I'm not. - 17/07/2017 02:55:54 PM 635 Views
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Yes you are. - 18/07/2017 06:40:45 AM 486 Views
You made the right choice, then. *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 322 Views
It's really the only way I can get into cool threads - 18/07/2017 04:03:05 PM 499 Views
The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 637 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 719 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 344 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1197 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 544 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 747 Views
Good idea. - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 592 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 609 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 628 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 329 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 564 Views

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