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Re: No I'm not. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 18/07/2017 01:27:06 AM

View original postI thought we could, but it appears we cannot. Why did you think I was doing anything else?

Well, we were discussing something else entirely.
View original postHere is where we part ways, I guess. I think the true statement "Everyone lies" exposes the rule "Lying is wrong" as a gross oversimplification. The kind of rule we should stop believing in once we reach a level of maturity that can handle nuance. People lie all the time for the greater good and will continue to do so. Some lies do far more good than they will ever do harm.

Hm. I can accept that for "lying," which covers a broad range of characteristics, but I think we can come up with various actions which virtually everyone does at one point or another and which we think are wrong. I think you're moving toward the universal "if everyone does something, it's justified" here, and I just don't think that's true. Do you think that's the case?
View original postWell, I apologize for upsetting you - that wasn't intended. I really did just want to discuss the principle and it appears you thought I was arguing for a side...?

I'm perpetually grouchy these days, so you don't need to apologize. You didn't do anything wrong.
View original postAs per your original question, I recall being asked on another site whether Snowden was a hero or a traitor and answering that he was probably both.

Fair.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The truly amusing thing about all this. LiterateDog - 13/07/2017 02:32:33 PM 1014 Views
that's the thing with muddying the waters damookster - 13/07/2017 03:20:24 PM 387 Views
The media lost the respect they commanded back then. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:42:27 PM 309 Views
The other thing I was thinking.... Jeordam - 13/07/2017 07:05:27 PM 459 Views
We know how they would react because it happened. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:37:43 PM 362 Views
So imprison Clinton and Trump both. Just put Kasich in. I don't mind. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:40:02 AM 381 Views
No thanks. We don't need Mr. Magoo as President. Tom - 14/07/2017 08:46:14 PM 422 Views
And why would we imprison Trump, counselor? Tom - 14/07/2017 08:47:34 PM 369 Views
This is your defense? "Other people would do it too?" *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:36:26 AM 187 Views
To quoque or not to quoque, I think the essential defense is there is NO wrongdoing in such events Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:45:41 AM 414 Views
That's at least more logically consistent. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:42:08 AM 457 Views
I don't need a defense.... Jeordam - 14/07/2017 08:31:12 PM 310 Views
Actually it is illegal in several ways Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:55:02 AM 455 Views
dirt on an opponent is equivilent to a monetary disbursment? *NM* damookster - 15/07/2017 03:43:28 AM 286 Views
I don't have an opinion on whether the law was broken here. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:12:08 AM 475 Views
Yes Roland00 - 15/07/2017 02:34:53 PM 348 Views
Bah damookster - 15/07/2017 04:56:08 PM 341 Views
Question Mookie, when did you think this law was enacted and last revised? Roland00 - 16/07/2017 11:46:43 AM 385 Views
No clue. I could google, of course, but that would be cheating. *NM* damookster - 16/07/2017 03:29:52 PM 228 Views
The offered dirty was that the Clintons were taking campaign donations from a foreign national again random thoughts - 18/07/2017 08:08:23 PM 351 Views
I very well could be wrong, but I don't think that I am. Jeordam - 17/07/2017 04:50:24 PM 378 Views
Well yeah. That happened. But it's not the main point. It's a side-bonus. nossy - 13/07/2017 10:22:32 PM 297 Views
I'm waiting for Little Marco to send me a subpoena. Tom - 13/07/2017 10:40:25 PM 393 Views
That's a very good point that needs further exploration damookster - 13/07/2017 11:54:56 PM 388 Views
The New York Times still has a fold? Tom - 14/07/2017 02:28:48 PM 357 Views
I think I served you a subpoena once. . . It was a small subpoena. *NM* Roland00 - 14/07/2017 09:02:48 AM 249 Views
What are your opinions on Manning and Snowden? I honestly don't remember. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:42:09 AM 352 Views
Well, the Russian government did not swear oaths as members of the US military or public servants Cannoli - 14/07/2017 04:58:18 AM 428 Views
Extend the query to Wikileaks publishing the documents, then. Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 10:34:53 AM 423 Views
Are you sure? aerocontrols - 14/07/2017 02:29:51 PM 278 Views
That only works if you can claim with a straight face the GOP wouldn't care Ghavrel - 14/07/2017 03:32:43 PM 409 Views
You've misunderstood me aerocontrols - 14/07/2017 06:22:21 PM 417 Views
I don't think I have. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 02:34:27 AM 358 Views
No I'm not. aerocontrols - 15/07/2017 03:09:04 AM 431 Views
Re: No I'm not. Ghavrel - 15/07/2017 05:07:42 AM 375 Views
Re: No I'm not. aerocontrols - 17/07/2017 02:55:54 PM 422 Views
Re: No I'm not. Ghavrel - 18/07/2017 01:27:06 AM 324 Views
Yes you are. Tom - 18/07/2017 06:40:45 AM 296 Views
You made the right choice, then. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2017 03:37:40 PM 233 Views
It's really the only way I can get into cool threads aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:03:05 PM 297 Views
The Democrats definitely won in regards to changing the conversation. The Shrike - 14/07/2017 06:06:58 PM 424 Views
Pay no attention to that CIA agent behind the voting curtain (in X country) Tom - 18/07/2017 06:43:38 AM 370 Views
When the media is the cornerstone of your political base it is easy to control the tone random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:22:51 PM 418 Views
The other amusing thing is the GOP voters' sudden love for Russia. Legolas - 14/07/2017 06:43:12 PM 446 Views
There was a great article in the NYT about that The Shrike - 14/07/2017 08:29:29 PM 472 Views
There's nothing "sudden" about it for me. *NM* Tom - 14/07/2017 08:49:38 PM 228 Views
I know. I was going to add a comment about how you must love that. Legolas - 14/07/2017 11:08:41 PM 1006 Views
I'm considering pitching to go on Fox or something. Tom - 18/07/2017 05:41:56 AM 342 Views
Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia aerocontrols - 18/07/2017 04:10:01 PM 512 Views
Good idea. Legolas - 23/07/2017 05:50:33 PM 410 Views
You are the fly in every republican cake Roland00 - 15/07/2017 01:56:24 AM 396 Views
I really don't understand 99% of your responses Tom - 18/07/2017 06:42:09 AM 452 Views
Yes Tom, Yes Exactly *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2017 03:46:22 PM 214 Views
It was and still just the isolationist wing of the party that feels that way random thoughts - 19/07/2017 01:27:41 PM 393 Views
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