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Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM

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Since I see stats that say about that same number showing people support limitations on abortion. RvW being overturned just means it goes back to the States. Of the two sides....no abortions or abortions of viable babies...which do you think is more extreme?

~Jeordam


Roe allows for restrictions. Viability <I>is</I> a restriction.

And I have no idea why the two sides are no abortions vs abortion of no babies, but even in that framing, no abortions is obviously more extreme, if only because it makes the choice for everyone, regardless of their beliefs. Why does a non-Catholic/Christian citizen have to abide by these rules? Roe provides <I>choice</I>. It doesn't mandate abortions in any stage or any circumstance. It only allows choice. If your morality tells you this is a sin, brilliant, don't do it.

But if this belief can be enforced, why can't other beliefs be enforced? Why can't Hindus, Muslims and Jews have their beliefs codified into law that applies to everyone as well?

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1524 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 858 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 819 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 686 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 801 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 652 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 660 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 629 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 673 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 704 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 684 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 664 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 664 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 811 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 672 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 709 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 739 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 724 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 700 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 648 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 924 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 772 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 670 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 770 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 402 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 731 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 717 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 690 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 651 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 647 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 663 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 706 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 803 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 724 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 672 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 620 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 696 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 694 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 692 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 644 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 760 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 637 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 621 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 689 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 680 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 630 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 672 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 624 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 654 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 648 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 642 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 612 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 636 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 640 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 635 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 631 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 709 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 663 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 640 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 677 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 612 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 620 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 614 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 675 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 620 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 661 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 642 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 655 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 618 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 627 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 616 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 764 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 664 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 672 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 663 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 653 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 617 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 657 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 612 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 662 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 875 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 619 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 680 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 644 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 668 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 646 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 712 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 681 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 715 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 706 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 569 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 621 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 633 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 582 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 611 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 629 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 622 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 698 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 625 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 716 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 776 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 399 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 662 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 341 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 662 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 351 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 359 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 672 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 758 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 638 Views
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