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Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM

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Since I see stats that say about that same number showing people support limitations on abortion. RvW being overturned just means it goes back to the States. Of the two sides....no abortions or abortions of viable babies...which do you think is more extreme?

~Jeordam


Roe allows for restrictions. Viability <I>is</I> a restriction.

And I have no idea why the two sides are no abortions vs abortion of no babies, but even in that framing, no abortions is obviously more extreme, if only because it makes the choice for everyone, regardless of their beliefs. Why does a non-Catholic/Christian citizen have to abide by these rules? Roe provides <I>choice</I>. It doesn't mandate abortions in any stage or any circumstance. It only allows choice. If your morality tells you this is a sin, brilliant, don't do it.

But if this belief can be enforced, why can't other beliefs be enforced? Why can't Hindus, Muslims and Jews have their beliefs codified into law that applies to everyone as well?

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1555 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 908 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 863 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 720 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 850 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 684 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 697 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 674 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 708 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 741 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 716 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 709 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 699 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 867 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 706 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 746 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 768 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 760 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 737 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 680 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 958 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 823 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 701 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 818 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 418 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 764 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 750 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 728 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 688 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 676 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 692 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 749 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 854 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 757 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 710 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 648 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 740 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 733 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 730 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 680 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 813 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 675 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 661 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 742 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 712 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 662 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 706 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 652 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 694 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 674 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 668 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 646 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 664 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 680 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 663 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 662 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 732 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 695 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 681 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 717 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 646 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 659 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 649 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 709 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 658 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 688 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 679 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 690 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 652 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 662 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 653 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 811 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 700 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 710 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 699 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 690 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 650 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 691 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 647 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 706 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 902 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 649 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 712 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 676 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 699 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 675 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 760 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 730 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 757 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 763 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 597 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 660 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 664 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 609 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 647 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 656 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 654 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 730 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 654 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 759 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 835 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 412 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 698 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 357 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 702 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 368 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 370 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 706 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 792 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 662 Views
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