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History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM

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These are simply my observations. Debate grows tiresome because no one is going to change their minds.

First, it's a huge mistake to paint this as a "Catholic" issue or the imposition of Roman Catholic morality on the entire country. Most Catholics I know, and as an Italian American living in the Northeast I know a lot, are ambivalent about abortion law. They don't believe in it for themselves but don't want it to be illegal for others. The Southern Evangelicals are far more involved in repeal and restrictive state laws than the Catholics.

Second, even in some dead Red States, the divide is close to 50/50 on permitting abortion when conception is from rape or incest, according to NYT polls. The same polls indicate that while the great majority of Americans support some access to abortion, they also favor restrictions similar to what exist in Europe, which are far more restrictive that what currently exist in Blue States. I believe Germany restricts abortion access after 12 weeks which is less than the 15 in some Red State laws. So stating that Americans favor unlimited access to abortion, i.e. the status quo in Blue States, is not accurate.

Which leads to my final thought on this. Notice all the hyperbole is emanating from the edges? Notice who is conspicuously silent? Republicans not associated with the Religious Right. Why? They realize if Roe vs. Wade is repealed, it could completely fuck up what otherwise looked to be an historic debacle of a midterm election for the Democrats. It would mobilize the vote and possibly save Democratic control of Congress.

Which is exactly how the system is supposed to work. You vote out those who support beliefs contrary to your own. It took 50 years of working the system for the Religious Right to be on the verge of declaring victory over abortion. I'm betting doing the same from the Blue side will take a whole lot less.


History and Histrionic or perhaps Hysteria. There are all these french jokes connecting these three things even though their language origin is not the same. That is the joke of it all, after all for our words do not match our actions, nor do they match our relations.

Yet it is here is the "drama" of it all. Not some distant place like the future beyond this horizon. After all not everyone survives in History, there is a survivor-ship bias` thing going on here when we speak of history as some far distant shore. Likewise even if you survive, you may get fucked in your social position. It is not a neutral space these appeals to history, and thus there will always be drama even if one can not take anymore drama for one is at their limit.

`Abraham Wald did notice not all the airplanes return home, and he intuited that the bullet holes of the airplanes that did return home are not the same of the planes which did not return home.

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I believe in Love as the word exists in this world / this place, but I also believe in the power of the words "Fuck You" plus many more things. Sometimes people need to say I love you to another and other times the F word.

We may be in a "No Exit" situation here, but the thing about repetition is "even in hell" , the place were things "fall below", even there in Hell there will still be jokes, people eating, people loving, people fucking, and people saying the F word with "a different meaning of the F word than above"

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1601 Views
that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 1000 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 774 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 937 Views
The issue is abortion. - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 733 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 761 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 725 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 757 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 802 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 766 Views
Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 759 Views
I mean, yeah. - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 755 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 947 Views
Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 750 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 796 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 814 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 816 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 786 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 755 Views
And I am problematizing your claim - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 899 Views
Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 813 Views
Re: Theodicy - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 793 Views
and yet... - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 775 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 731 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 724 Views
Have not had a drink yet. - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 734 Views
Leaked draft opinion - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 809 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 754 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 690 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 795 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 778 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 777 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 728 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 897 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 719 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 712 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 827 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 759 Views
Precisely. - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 714 Views
Obvious intent my ass - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 763 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 686 Views
I cannot commit treason - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 746 Views
Neither am I. - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 720 Views
Projecting what? - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 705 Views
Is this a parody account? - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 684 Views
Nope. - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 707 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 733 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 712 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 715 Views
There is no goalpost shifting - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 786 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 753 Views
actually, Trump was impeached - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 732 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 768 Views
you wrote: - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 706 Views
Ummm - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 702 Views
Interesting is one word for it... - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 710 Views
That's your thought.... - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 762 Views
Hardly just mine - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 702 Views
Interesting... - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 726 Views
Roe has restrictions - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 733 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 738 Views
Nice try - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 699 Views
No one said that, and you know it... - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 714 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 688 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 886 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 757 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 746 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 739 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 697 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 732 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 692 Views
Roe imposed nothing - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 762 Views
Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 972 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 695 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 762 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 720 Views
States rights regulate individual rights - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 748 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 714 Views
Cool - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 832 Views
So our state energy grid - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 794 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 837 Views
Are you off your meds? - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 630 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 690 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 698 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 644 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 687 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 691 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 691 Views
Who the fuck cares? - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 789 Views
Parody account strikes back! - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 697 Views
a few final thoughts - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 803 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 927 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 433 Views
He really is wonderful. - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 749 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 376 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 754 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 841 Views
There is an easy answer for you. - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 710 Views

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