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History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM

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These are simply my observations. Debate grows tiresome because no one is going to change their minds.

First, it's a huge mistake to paint this as a "Catholic" issue or the imposition of Roman Catholic morality on the entire country. Most Catholics I know, and as an Italian American living in the Northeast I know a lot, are ambivalent about abortion law. They don't believe in it for themselves but don't want it to be illegal for others. The Southern Evangelicals are far more involved in repeal and restrictive state laws than the Catholics.

Second, even in some dead Red States, the divide is close to 50/50 on permitting abortion when conception is from rape or incest, according to NYT polls. The same polls indicate that while the great majority of Americans support some access to abortion, they also favor restrictions similar to what exist in Europe, which are far more restrictive that what currently exist in Blue States. I believe Germany restricts abortion access after 12 weeks which is less than the 15 in some Red State laws. So stating that Americans favor unlimited access to abortion, i.e. the status quo in Blue States, is not accurate.

Which leads to my final thought on this. Notice all the hyperbole is emanating from the edges? Notice who is conspicuously silent? Republicans not associated with the Religious Right. Why? They realize if Roe vs. Wade is repealed, it could completely fuck up what otherwise looked to be an historic debacle of a midterm election for the Democrats. It would mobilize the vote and possibly save Democratic control of Congress.

Which is exactly how the system is supposed to work. You vote out those who support beliefs contrary to your own. It took 50 years of working the system for the Religious Right to be on the verge of declaring victory over abortion. I'm betting doing the same from the Blue side will take a whole lot less.


History and Histrionic or perhaps Hysteria. There are all these french jokes connecting these three things even though their language origin is not the same. That is the joke of it all, after all for our words do not match our actions, nor do they match our relations.

Yet it is here is the "drama" of it all. Not some distant place like the future beyond this horizon. After all not everyone survives in History, there is a survivor-ship bias` thing going on here when we speak of history as some far distant shore. Likewise even if you survive, you may get fucked in your social position. It is not a neutral space these appeals to history, and thus there will always be drama even if one can not take anymore drama for one is at their limit.

`Abraham Wald did notice not all the airplanes return home, and he intuited that the bullet holes of the airplanes that did return home are not the same of the planes which did not return home.

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I believe in Love as the word exists in this world / this place, but I also believe in the power of the words "Fuck You" plus many more things. Sometimes people need to say I love you to another and other times the F word.

We may be in a "No Exit" situation here, but the thing about repetition is "even in hell" , the place were things "fall below", even there in Hell there will still be jokes, people eating, people loving, people fucking, and people saying the F word with "a different meaning of the F word than above"

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1637 Views
that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 1056 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 811 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 987 Views
The issue is abortion. - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 767 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 823 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 761 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 792 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 841 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 808 Views
Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 790 Views
I mean, yeah. - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 788 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 1003 Views
Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 789 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 827 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 855 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 851 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 824 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 792 Views
And I am problematizing your claim - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 943 Views
Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 855 Views
Re: Theodicy - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 831 Views
and yet... - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 814 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 768 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 766 Views
Have not had a drink yet. - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 774 Views
Leaked draft opinion - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 852 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 788 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 721 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 841 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 812 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 824 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 764 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 957 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 755 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 747 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 884 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 793 Views
Precisely. - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 753 Views
Obvious intent my ass - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 797 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 721 Views
I cannot commit treason - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 780 Views
Neither am I. - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 763 Views
Projecting what? - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 744 Views
Is this a parody account? - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 717 Views
Nope. - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 742 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 773 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 747 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 751 Views
There is no goalpost shifting - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 817 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 793 Views
actually, Trump was impeached - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 773 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 804 Views
you wrote: - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 739 Views
Ummm - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 735 Views
Interesting is one word for it... - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 748 Views
That's your thought.... - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 804 Views
Hardly just mine - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 740 Views
Interesting... - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 753 Views
Roe has restrictions - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 772 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 776 Views
Nice try - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 734 Views
No one said that, and you know it... - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 750 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 732 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 937 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 791 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 791 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 781 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 730 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 772 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 723 Views
Roe imposed nothing - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 798 Views
Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 1019 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 730 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 796 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 751 Views
States rights regulate individual rights - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 786 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 755 Views
Cool - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 875 Views
So our state energy grid - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 844 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 886 Views
Are you off your meds? - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 659 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 719 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 730 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 677 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 724 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 728 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 719 Views
Who the fuck cares? - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 830 Views
Parody account strikes back! - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 732 Views
a few final thoughts - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 839 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 975 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 449 Views
He really is wonderful. - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 784 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 391 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 792 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 883 Views
There is an easy answer for you. - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 748 Views

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