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Bah! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM

I think Siuan is a lesser woman. Even in NS she was better than she is now. She may be a good advisor with a sharp mind, but she's still a shadow of what she was.


If anything, Siuan's own thoughts in tGS should show that she is now a stronger and subtler woman.

As she realizes, she relied too much on her great strength in the Power before. She was manipulative, devious but not very subtle. She could, and did, run roughshod over any opposition.

Weakened, she has been forced to use her mind to its fullest potential. And in the process has realized that power blinds you to those you think are weaker, and allows them to manipulate you.

Even if she does regain her full strength, she's never going to go back to her old ways. With or without that strength, she is now a far more dangerous person, and her experience as a weak nobody has also strengthened her resolve and made her a tough person. I'd actually like to see her meet Cadsuane more than anyone else. Caddy will see right away that here's someone who's almost a match.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5438 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1322 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1056 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1288 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1179 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1174 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1182 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1032 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1054 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 566 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 579 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 521 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1173 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1236 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1084 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1150 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1071 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1091 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 997 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1205 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1118 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1278 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1125 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1295 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1116 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1187 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1131 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1156 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1085 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 900 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1379 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1063 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1015 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1096 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1095 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1056 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 1056 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1163 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1083 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1756 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1110 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1091 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 973 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 630 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 574 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 961 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1133 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1105 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1075 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 991 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1132 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1058 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1071 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1146 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1008 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1035 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1130 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1201 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 952 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1023 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1116 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1093 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 944 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 954 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1069 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1107 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 911 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1090 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1013 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 902 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1158 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 922 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1026 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1036 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 966 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 975 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1155 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 668 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 991 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1136 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1198 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1174 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1059 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1021 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1016 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1309 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 984 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1024 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1134 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 955 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1081 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1035 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1064 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 922 Views
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