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Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM
My reason for this argument is that RJ has never had this kind of gaping plot hole in his books, ever.


But one can't simply rewrite reality to suit one's desires.


I'm simply extrapolating and making guesses. Based on the fact that RJ never left any such plot holes before.


No, you're trying to justify an entirely unfounded conslusion based on the assumption of that conclusion's truth. You have absolutely no evidence or argument to support your conclusion, even the feeble cry of 'RJ leaves no plot holes' makes no sense, given that RJ didn't even write The Gathering Storm. Notice also the absence of Mattin Steppaneos, for example. Not that I'd accept the argument even if it were the case. If it were true, you might expect Egwene to mention surprise that it was never brought up, or again, for Elaida to mention it since she is clearly not obeying Tsutama, as the Red/Black Tower plotline indicates. There is no indication that this was being covered up or ignored, because it is not mentioned at all. It isn't the Red Ajah that fails to bring it up, it is everyone, including the authour(s). Heck, even the White Sisters Egwene "debates" (I use the term loosely) with could have brought it up.

In brief, you need actual evidence to support an argument, you can't go around randomly accusing people on no basis.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5249 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1212 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 965 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1207 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1084 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1082 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1088 Views
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Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 965 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 524 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 540 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1040 Views
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I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 997 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 916 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1124 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1024 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1165 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1044 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1205 Views
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And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1051 Views
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The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 990 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 823 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1293 Views
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I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 957 Views
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I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 998 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1345 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1013 Views
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Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 889 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 588 Views
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Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1000 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1003 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 993 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 904 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1036 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 976 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 969 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1032 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 920 Views
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So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1111 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 862 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 931 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1032 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1008 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 861 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 865 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 970 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1003 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 826 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 997 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 925 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 819 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1032 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 841 Views
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Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 951 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 880 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 886 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1075 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 902 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1035 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1048 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1039 Views
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That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 922 Views
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for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 903 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 928 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1046 Views
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Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 988 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 954 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 959 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 808 Views

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