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meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM
Don't be ridiculous. Then why won't Elayne take the test for Aes Sedai saying that it might harm her babies?

"The pregnancy," Elayne said. "It's interfering with my ability to channel. That's getting better—I could get here, thankfully—but it's still a problem. Explain to the Hall it would be too dangerous for me—and for the babes—to undergo the testing while unable to channel consistently."

"They might suggest you wait," Nynaeve said.

"And let me run around without the oaths?" Elayne said. "Though I would like to know if anyone's taken the oaths while pregnant before, just to be sure."

"I'll find what I can," Egwene said. "Until then, I have another task for you."

"I am rather busy with ruling Andor, Mother."

Her first concern is for herself; she tacks on the "babes" as an afterthought, a sweetener. Who will think of the children, Egwene? This suggests to me that she's trying to evade the entire shebang as long as possible. She doesn't want to turn into Egwene's damane, the way Nynaeve would be about to.

Her plotline in TOM involves significant distancing of herself and Andor from the authority of the White Tower, and this is a part of it.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3392 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1728 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1563 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 843 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1474 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1676 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1510 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1482 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1526 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1406 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1532 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 926 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1263 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1572 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1504 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1429 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 899 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1474 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1394 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1512 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1315 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1422 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1438 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1445 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1390 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1292 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1570 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1573 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1469 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1421 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1248 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1320 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1273 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1383 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1382 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1385 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1339 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1332 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1454 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1487 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1382 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1634 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1424 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1443 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1225 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1328 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1325 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1405 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1378 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1311 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1324 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1383 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1294 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1299 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1363 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1435 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1370 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1416 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1239 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1369 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 1165 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1482 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1455 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1366 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 686 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1407 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1516 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1436 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 1155 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1291 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1343 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1385 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1316 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1198 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1351 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 1139 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1376 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1449 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1315 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1349 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1315 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1560 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1455 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1259 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1273 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 1154 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1276 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1427 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1366 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1428 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1325 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1355 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1346 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1398 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1294 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 888 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1340 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1271 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1190 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1358 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1207 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1241 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1276 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1381 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1302 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1368 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1294 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1269 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1380 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1360 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1264 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1360 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1270 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1296 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 1181 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 1180 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1193 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1368 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 1235 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2733 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1332 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1476 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1227 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1345 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1362 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1328 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1277 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1251 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1444 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1365 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1373 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1375 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1425 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1530 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1244 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1242 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1360 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1346 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1349 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1333 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1396 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1334 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1355 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1381 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 916 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1311 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1321 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1251 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1287 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1456 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1390 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1277 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 774 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1282 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1292 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1302 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1284 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1327 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1329 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1377 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 833 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1254 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1334 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1416 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 1193 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1356 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1376 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1291 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1367 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 1272 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1357 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1519 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1407 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1506 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1287 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 861 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1221 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1255 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1389 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1283 Views
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