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Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM
If the Shadow had picked a side and ensured (pre-BA purge) Egwene lost it and the Rebels crawled back, Rand would have been forced to take over the Aes Sedai.

Which with Elaida in charge would have been without much of an army (she dislikes Bryne and only increased the Tower guard under threat - they'd be 'restored' to the old token status).

There'd have been Aes Sedai casualties, but imagine a progression of - Elaida undisputed Amyrlin.
- Dark Rand forced to deal with her and the Aes Sedai once and for all. Dozens probably killed, but the rest bonded to Asha'man or Wise Ones apprentices.
- Rand has epiphany. Appoints the likes of Nynaeve or Cadsuane as Amyrlin.

Result - happy Rand with united Tower fighting for him, not against him.

The Shadow made a MAJOR mistake keeping the split going. An Egwene Tower earlier would have much better for the SHADOW then any of the alternatives (short of them stealing a sa'angreal and balefiring them all anyway).
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2410 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1585 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1076 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1360 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1282 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1214 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 666 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1352 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1361 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1164 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1235 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1241 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1252 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1313 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1062 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1240 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1153 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 694 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1190 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1303 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1108 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1352 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1073 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1220 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1148 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1238 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1645 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1248 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1146 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1139 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1242 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1593 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1553 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1357 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1219 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 664 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1266 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1116 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1093 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1007 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1117 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 602 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1099 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1222 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1070 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1106 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1175 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1193 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1277 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1201 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1091 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1117 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1257 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1155 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1153 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1199 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1078 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1162 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1193 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1053 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1139 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1159 Views
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