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Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM
If the Shadow had picked a side and ensured (pre-BA purge) Egwene lost it and the Rebels crawled back, Rand would have been forced to take over the Aes Sedai.

Which with Elaida in charge would have been without much of an army (she dislikes Bryne and only increased the Tower guard under threat - they'd be 'restored' to the old token status).

There'd have been Aes Sedai casualties, but imagine a progression of - Elaida undisputed Amyrlin.
- Dark Rand forced to deal with her and the Aes Sedai once and for all. Dozens probably killed, but the rest bonded to Asha'man or Wise Ones apprentices.
- Rand has epiphany. Appoints the likes of Nynaeve or Cadsuane as Amyrlin.

Result - happy Rand with united Tower fighting for him, not against him.

The Shadow made a MAJOR mistake keeping the split going. An Egwene Tower earlier would have much better for the SHADOW then any of the alternatives (short of them stealing a sa'angreal and balefiring them all anyway).
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2321 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1485 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 988 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1256 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1167 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1128 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 612 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1256 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1257 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1045 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1147 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1146 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1149 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1216 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 979 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1133 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1050 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 644 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1100 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1214 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1023 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1270 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 978 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1132 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1041 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1130 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1519 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1146 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1060 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1048 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1152 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1496 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1451 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1232 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1131 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 608 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1176 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1039 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1003 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 925 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1039 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 561 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1019 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1133 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 981 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1006 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1061 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1070 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1187 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1117 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1004 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1029 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1153 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1071 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1072 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1113 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 978 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1067 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1099 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 966 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1046 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1066 Views
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