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It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM
And you've arbitrarily decided that Lanfear is 10x Daigian ... That is pure speculation on your part.


We can use any figure that you agree with. 7 times. Which I know is a figure you would support, right? Or 6 times. It makes no difference.

With Daigian at 0,3SD below the mean, she cannot be so much weaker than someone 5SD or 6SD above the mean in a normal distribution representing absolute units of strength.

The problem is Daigian is too close to the mean, and too much weaker than Egwene, meaning that Lanfear or even Egwene is too far above the mean then for there to be room on the lower side for people of their equivalent SD on the lower side.

It is not about the number I choose. You can choose any number you want. It is about the formula. That is what disproves a normal distribution of absolute strength.



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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2672 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1666 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1769 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1593 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1463 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1481 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1676 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1511 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1504 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1563 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1725 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1476 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1533 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1524 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1592 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1437 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1591 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1565 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1463 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1575 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1440 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1352 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1512 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1585 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1554 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 927 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1470 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 947 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1513 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1388 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1552 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1444 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1427 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1455 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1449 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1487 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1538 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 911 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1298 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1469 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1379 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1519 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1439 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1597 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1519 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1490 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1470 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1523 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1456 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1380 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1324 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1443 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1527 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1434 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1454 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1423 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1446 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1344 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1488 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1380 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1462 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 914 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1450 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1414 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1459 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1488 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1467 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1411 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1516 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1465 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1544 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1474 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1377 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1458 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1453 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1367 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1393 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1395 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1361 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1441 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 877 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1437 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1449 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1427 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1333 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1491 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1358 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1520 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1540 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1437 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1433 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1349 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1585 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1399 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1365 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1363 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1638 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1419 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1472 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1437 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1432 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1479 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1391 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1523 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1401 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1374 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1284 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1544 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1335 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1541 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1412 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1499 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1491 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1472 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1452 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1315 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1931 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1440 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1491 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1501 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1280 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1475 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1374 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1436 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1523 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1781 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1454 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1764 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1495 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1477 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1508 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1525 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1573 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1449 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1345 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1499 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1554 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1375 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1430 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1441 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1370 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1628 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1431 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1506 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1795 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1570 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1923 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1150 Views
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