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It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM
And you've arbitrarily decided that Lanfear is 10x Daigian ... That is pure speculation on your part.


We can use any figure that you agree with. 7 times. Which I know is a figure you would support, right? Or 6 times. It makes no difference.

With Daigian at 0,3SD below the mean, she cannot be so much weaker than someone 5SD or 6SD above the mean in a normal distribution representing absolute units of strength.

The problem is Daigian is too close to the mean, and too much weaker than Egwene, meaning that Lanfear or even Egwene is too far above the mean then for there to be room on the lower side for people of their equivalent SD on the lower side.

It is not about the number I choose. You can choose any number you want. It is about the formula. That is what disproves a normal distribution of absolute strength.



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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2301 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1307 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1434 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1274 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1140 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1182 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1363 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1193 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1178 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1203 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1399 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1158 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1236 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1176 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1237 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1122 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1270 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1227 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1105 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1248 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1116 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1080 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1182 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1233 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1195 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 772 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1147 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 774 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1175 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1036 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1243 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1134 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1104 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1151 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1125 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1169 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1183 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 749 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1019 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1148 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1035 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1188 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1156 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1280 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1182 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1164 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1116 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1161 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1114 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1042 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 995 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1118 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1193 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1116 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1105 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1131 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1093 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1051 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1170 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1072 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1128 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 737 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1140 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1081 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1171 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1177 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1135 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1125 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1180 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1135 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1234 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1167 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1072 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1100 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1141 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1073 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1081 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1107 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1025 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1147 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 705 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1116 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1121 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1075 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1034 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1155 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1035 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1146 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1209 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1073 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1108 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1031 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1265 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1120 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1042 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1055 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1277 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1071 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1142 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1108 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1112 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1139 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1057 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1165 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1077 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1065 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 957 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1199 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1022 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1224 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1078 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1200 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1174 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1164 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1135 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1006 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1557 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1131 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1178 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1153 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 972 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1178 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1046 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1105 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1185 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1477 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1143 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1455 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1177 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1158 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1183 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1208 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1251 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1095 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 961 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1189 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1223 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1083 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1090 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1107 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1077 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1325 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1130 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1173 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1500 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1252 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1532 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 964 Views
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