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think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM
Have there been any established strengths for Logain, Narishma, and Flinn? I'm on Knife of Dreams in my re-read, and it just hit me that Narishma is described here as weaker than Merise, which surprised me...though he's not reached his potential, yet. Similarly, I'd be interested to see where Taim ranks, as well. I always thought of Logain and him as being about the same level, but is there any credence to that assumption?

(If I had to make guesses based on my current feelings, I'd rank them as such:

Narishma: 20?
Flinn: 40
Logain/Taim: 80

Does that make any sense at all?)

Theorize/correct away.


We don't know much about Narishma and Flinn. Rand sometimes says how they are becoming more powerful but he says once that no Ash'aman is close in power to him (though they are both probably not at full strength). Flinn is stronger than Gedwyn and Rochaid, both of whom think that together they could fight as strongly as Rand.

He says later that Logain and Taim are close to as strong as him, so they're both at least on 90 or higher.


I figured that they were both below the level of Aginor/Sammael, and certainly below Demandred. The reason I say this is that Rand thinks of Taim as being close to his strength in LoC, and he didn't hit his potential until the Cleansing.

The thing with Flinn, now that I think about it, is that he MUST be stronger than 40. He's in a circle with two AS at the Cleansing, (I don't remember who, exactly, but I figure they're both slightly above average for AS strength, so let's say 20 each) and with the linking penalty, their combined strengths would still have to be above 90 to give credence to Demandred's thought that their weaving is as strong as his own. So maybe Flinn's closer to a 55? Maybe his strength is part of why he's the best at Healing that we've seen yet (which we know, at least seems to be the case, since Cadsuane considers Samitsu "the best alive at Healing—at least until the appearance of Damer Flinn" (CoT 671) and Cadsuane knows Nynaeve as well).
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1982 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1388 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1357 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1348 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1242 Views
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No I don't think so - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 1136 Views
I'd say more than 80 - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 1078 Views
81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 1005 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 1067 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 1148 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 1107 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 930 Views
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I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 1040 Views
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Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 1056 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 1138 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 965 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1146 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 960 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 1104 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 1083 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 633 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 575 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 670 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 960 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 1055 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 1106 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 1023 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 989 Views
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1215 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 1028 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 1097 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 1077 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 1036 Views
Re: I disagree... - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 969 Views
I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 1027 Views
Probably - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 1074 Views
Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 1081 Views
Not really - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 1015 Views
Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 1043 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 1112 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 1097 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 1039 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 958 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 1110 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 1023 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 1097 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 1091 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 640 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 1090 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 1028 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 964 Views

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