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81 then Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM
Be'lal was clearly weary of his strength in TDR even before Callandor.

We have no indication that Be'lal was ever weary of Rand.

and the Forsaken discuss him "being as strong as anyone" early in the series ...

Lanfear says that to mess with their minds, and to bait Sammael and Rahvin. We know that he eventually becomes as strong as any channeler, but we know for a fact that Rahvin equalled Rand in strength at the end of FoH, and yet stronger men existed.

the Forsaken would not have been all that concerned about him because of his lack of training if he wasn't already at least as strong as most of them.

They've never really been scared of him, which is why they're dead. Rand sometimes mentions how strong he is compared to them - those are the quotes I used. RJ said you can't trust Forsaken PoV's.

Asmodean is most likely the weakest of the males, but he's not that far off of them despite being a total wuss of a person :)

Yes but that's your theory, Darius, it's not fact. Asmodean could be 20% weaker than Ishamael of 3% weaker. We just don't know. I personally think he's between 80 and 90.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1621 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1014 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 984 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 931 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 889 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 817 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 752 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 709 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 638 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 731 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 751 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 686 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 528 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 756 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 722 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 652 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 661 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 650 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 752 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 590 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 760 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 615 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 787 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 669 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 433 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 361 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 718 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 722 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 467 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 396 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 487 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 599 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 703 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 752 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 650 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 624 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 863 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 850 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 670 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 734 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 724 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 663 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 610 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 679 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 716 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 698 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 623 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 646 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 728 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 701 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 623 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 608 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 655 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 678 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 642 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 712 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 823 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 630 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 488 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 692 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 661 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 615 Views
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