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I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma Send a noteboard - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM
than whe Rand faced Rhavin ... Just shorter because the fight for the CK began.

There is plenty of evidence that Rand was already Forsaken level very early on ... If he was not he would have been crushed by the superior forces of those he faced.

Believe as you like about TAR and the blight ... It's an interesting theory.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1982 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1387 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1357 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 1347 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 1242 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 1276 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 1135 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 1078 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 1005 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 1066 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 1147 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 1107 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 930 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 1159 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 1156 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 1040 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 1094 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 1056 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 1138 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 965 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 1146 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 959 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 1185 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 1039 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 610 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 521 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 1103 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 1083 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 632 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 574 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 670 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 959 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 1054 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 1105 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 1022 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 989 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 1304 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1214 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 1028 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 1097 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 1077 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 1036 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 969 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 1027 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 1074 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 1080 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 1015 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 1042 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 1112 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 1096 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 1039 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 957 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 1110 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 1023 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 1097 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 1090 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 1200 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 1003 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 639 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 1089 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 1028 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 964 Views
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