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He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM
Just finished Knife of Dreams in my reread and apparently, as of the confrontation with Semi in Altara, Narishma is the strongest of the AM with Rand...because of this, I tend to agree with you that Narishma is probably going to end up near Forsaken strength. He must be above 50, at this point, if he's stronger than Flinn, with more room yet to grow. I guess that makes sense, though, considering how men seem to grow in leaps and bounds; he could easily go from the low 20s to 50 in a couple months with that sort of growth.

As far as Flinn goes, I know that Talent and strength are different, but we do know that at least in a few cases, they are related. Traveling, for instance, has correlations with strength, and we see that Nynaeve is one of the best at Healing. I'm not saying that that HAS to be the case with Flinn, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if his strength had something to do with it.

With Logain and Taim...I can see it both ways. I won't even try to dispute that they're Forsaken strength, but I always figured they were slightly below the upper-tier guys like Aginor and Demandred (and on that note, where do we see that Rand matched Aginor in EotW and Ishy in TGH? As far as I can remember, he never directly channeled against Ishy there, and he only faced off against Aginor with the aid of the Eye).


Aginor destroyed himself attempting to channel too much of the Eye's power, meanwhile Rand survived it. As for Ishy v. Rand it's clear that Rand was in the weight class even if they didn't have an actual OP duel. The real point here is that Rand was at Forsaken male strength basically from the beginning of the series. If he had not been he would have been destroyed very quickly.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1621 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1014 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 984 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 931 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 889 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 817 Views
No I don't think so - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 752 Views
I'd say more than 80 - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 709 Views
81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 635 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 729 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 751 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 686 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 528 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 756 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 722 Views
I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 651 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 661 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 650 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 749 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 590 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 759 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 615 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 717 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 722 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 467 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 396 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 487 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 596 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 702 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 751 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 650 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 622 Views
- 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 862 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 848 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 670 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 733 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 723 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 662 Views
Re: I disagree... - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 610 Views
I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 679 Views
Probably - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 715 Views
Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 697 Views
Not really - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 623 Views
Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 645 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 726 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 699 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 623 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 608 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 654 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 676 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 640 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 712 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 488 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 691 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 660 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 615 Views

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