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whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM
not sure how it can be more clear than this statement:

"Personally I think those circles needed to be significantly Stronger than an individual Forsaken for the Rand's people to have survived."


ummm... a circle is made up of people the "strength" of the circle is the combined strength of the people in the circle. I was saying that the combined strength of the circle does not have to equal Demandreds strength in order to have a stronger EFFECT than Demandred. Are we on the same page yet.

If Demandreds strength is 95 its sounded like you were saying the circle memebers combined strength had to add up to more than 95 in order to be effective against him. Im saying that the combined strength could be less than 95. They could have been at 65-70 but the effect of the circle would still be able to match or overwhelm a 95.


I specifically noted the circle's strength ... We have no way of knowing how much advantage a circle gives, the individuals could added up to 60 or 150 for all we really know. We can't even accurately guess at anyone in the circle's individual strength. All we know for fact is that Demandred believes the first few weaves Flinn hit him with were as powerful as what Demandred could generate. Those weaves could have been 100% as powerful as Flinns circle could create or 50% as powerful or anywhere else. we have no way of knowing and we know the Forsaken have a tendency to lie to themselves which means those weaves could have been stronger than Demandreds weaves.


the actual strength. potency versus quantity. If you meant potency thats all well and good but there are enough people here who don't believe in potency being different from quantity and so as I said you were not clear. Making thing bold would mean nothing to someone who believed that potency and quantity were equivalent in a circle.
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81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 977 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 1038 Views
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there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 1069 Views
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He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 1157 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 1004 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 589 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 503 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 1059 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 1051 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 614 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 553 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 653 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 935 Views
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If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 1076 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 992 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 956 Views
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 1186 Views
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We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 1010 Views
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Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 1051 Views
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Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 621 Views
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Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 939 Views
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