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Re: Balefire. Kaldric Send a noteboard - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM
Firstly, Rand's assumption that the fading of the webs of Compulsion signalled her death are erroneous. Weaves such as Compulsion are generally set and remain regardless of whether the channeler dies. Indeed, the Warder Bond still has an effect on the mind of a bondmember who loses the other - it doesn't simply vanish.


But that was not a normal death. Balefire removes the target before that point, so his test was to see if the balefire removed the compulsion. If Rand had just burned the house with a gigantic ball of fire, killing Graendal inside, there is no doubt that the compulsion would have remained. With the balefire, there is no doubt at all that the person who wove the compulsion was killed. The only doubt is whether or not Graendal was actually the person who wove the compulsion.


Kaldric

P.S. The "NSSP" is implied.

Of course, [Quixote] carried it a bit too far. He thought that every windmill was a giant. That's insane. But, thinking that they might be...
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Graendal's fate? Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2039 Views
Dead. Great Lord of Chaos - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 992 Views
Maybe... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 969 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. LlordNakcor - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1004 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 993 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Grimbear - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 904 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 892 Views
She is dead dacole - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 845 Views
That's pretty terrible logic beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1015 Views
I disagree. Rand al'Thor - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 853 Views
Agreed. *NM* Lord Haart - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 415 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? Bookwyrm - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1417 Views
She is dead *spoilers* brett014 - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1001 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* Gaidal Craig - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 870 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 975 Views
I thought so too, but KCF set me straight.. his response in a thread further down the board kavorka - 02/11/2009 05:56:40 PM 940 Views
I say dead. *NM* Gher - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 450 Views
Dead. Seriana Sedai - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 852 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? Master Radishes - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 935 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 410 Views
It could but... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 944 Views
Moridin would most likely know. RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 855 Views
Well.... Etzel - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 893 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 391 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* Dragonsworn - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 914 Views
That weave was very complex. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 835 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 912 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 862 Views
Almost certainly dead Isaac - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1020 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 917 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* Marshall - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 438 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc Isaac - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 843 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard NaClH2O - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3182 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, Fred Gaidin - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 843 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1034 Views
Re: Balefire. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 869 Views
Not necessarily. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 824 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 895 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1092 Views
Re: Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:48:30 AM 1032 Views
Hm. Possible. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1135 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 859 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 799 Views
That's just absurd Marshall - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 941 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 881 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 885 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 942 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* Marshall - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 459 Views
But the real question in my mind... darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 842 Views
Well Marshall - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1292 Views
Odds are she's dead darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 737 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 852 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** Bookwyrm - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 878 Views
Re: Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:52:36 PM 853 Views
This sounds familiar. Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 796 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 799 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 877 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists Lord Haart - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 817 Views
RJ said... Etzel - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 971 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* Lord Haart - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 370 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 360 Views
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