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Re: Balefire. Kaldric Send a noteboard - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM
Firstly, Rand's assumption that the fading of the webs of Compulsion signalled her death are erroneous. Weaves such as Compulsion are generally set and remain regardless of whether the channeler dies. Indeed, the Warder Bond still has an effect on the mind of a bondmember who loses the other - it doesn't simply vanish.


But that was not a normal death. Balefire removes the target before that point, so his test was to see if the balefire removed the compulsion. If Rand had just burned the house with a gigantic ball of fire, killing Graendal inside, there is no doubt that the compulsion would have remained. With the balefire, there is no doubt at all that the person who wove the compulsion was killed. The only doubt is whether or not Graendal was actually the person who wove the compulsion.


Kaldric

P.S. The "NSSP" is implied.

Of course, [Quixote] carried it a bit too far. He thought that every windmill was a giant. That's insane. But, thinking that they might be...
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Graendal's fate? Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 2147 Views
Dead. Great Lord of Chaos - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 1102 Views
Maybe... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 1082 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. LlordNakcor - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 1125 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 1121 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. Grimbear - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 1009 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 995 Views
She is dead dacole - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 936 Views
That's pretty terrible logic beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 1140 Views
I disagree. Rand al'Thor - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 955 Views
Agreed. *NM* Lord Haart - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 502 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? Bookwyrm - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1513 Views
She is dead *spoilers* brett014 - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 1085 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* Gaidal Craig - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 969 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* dacole - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 1107 Views
I thought so too, but KCF set me straight.. his response in a thread further down the board kavorka - 02/11/2009 05:56:40 PM 1028 Views
I say dead. *NM* Gher - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 498 Views
Dead. Seriana Sedai - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 980 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? Master Radishes - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 1036 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 468 Views
It could but... Ashaman Narishma - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 1030 Views
Moridin would most likely know. RandAllThor - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 948 Views
Well.... Etzel - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 1026 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 435 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* Dragonsworn - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 998 Views
That weave was very complex. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 923 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 1001 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 951 Views
Almost certainly dead Isaac - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 1113 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" beetnemesis - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 1034 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* Marshall - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 490 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc Isaac - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 944 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard NaClH2O - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3269 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, Fred Gaidin - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 926 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 1143 Views
Re: Balefire. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 953 Views
Not necessarily. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 921 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 1011 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 1186 Views
Re: Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:48:30 AM 1142 Views
Hm. Possible. Kaldric - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1229 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 957 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 912 Views
That's just absurd Marshall - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 1029 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 974 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 972 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 1036 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* Marshall - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 505 Views
But the real question in my mind... darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 945 Views
Well Marshall - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1383 Views
Odds are she's dead darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 837 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. dacole - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 948 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** Bookwyrm - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 965 Views
Re: Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:52:36 PM 949 Views
This sounds familiar. Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 896 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 924 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 966 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists Lord Haart - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 913 Views
RJ said... Etzel - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 1079 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* Lord Haart - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 422 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 416 Views
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