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Re: Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. dacole Send a noteboard - 09/11/2009 01:48:30 AM
I don't think she could have made it so the compulsion dissapeared if a man channeled around him. We have seen no evidence that such a thing is possible. That would just be to complicated for this series I think and would stink of retconning. I really think the KISS principle applies here. She is dead.

She's pretty smart in that her motives regarding Rand have always matched her POV and her statements; in fact, the other Forsaken were probably taken in by how honest she was essentially being - namely, she didn't want to end up dead, she wanted to be Nae'blis...which meant not confronting Rand.

I'm of the opinion that as soon as the messenger showed up, she loaded him with Wards to determine where Rand was coming from/if he was channeling and then she escaped via Travelling as soon as possible.

She's not one to run from a fight but at this point A) she knows he has access to the Choedan Kal, B) holding the Power offers protection from Compulsion and C) her stated intention was to throw herself at his mercy or run away.

I think that once she knew Semirhage was captured and being punished, it would be clear that coming into contact with him without direct orders from the DO/SH is a big no/no. She's already been offered the position once, had a high position offered to her again in this book and quite frankly, I don't really see a motive for her to try mindtricks. At this point, she has quite a long list of Chosen that died to Rand - I don't think she'd try her chances fighting him directly. She may be a weak person, but I really do think she's pretty good at self-preservation - I expect she'll show up and be rewarded for causing Rand as much pain as she did without harming him. That's exactly why Semirhage failed and was being punished, and I think there are further uses for Graendal and Demandred - she was supposed to learn to obey the orders to the letter...cause Rand pain, and don't harm him. Semirhage couldn't even capture Rand without using her sadistic tricks and I think this is why she was forsaken. All she had to do was hold him in the a'dam and return to Moridin's fortress and she couldn't even accomplish that without engaging in some torture.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1915 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 898 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 872 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 914 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 857 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 813 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 795 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 744 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 919 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 748 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 365 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1319 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 896 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 763 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 870 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 414 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 750 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 836 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 368 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 825 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 743 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 801 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 351 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 815 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 734 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 822 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 771 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 910 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 819 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 395 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 752 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3090 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 744 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 919 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 747 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 724 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 798 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 977 Views
Re: Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 09/11/2009 01:48:30 AM 917 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1033 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 757 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 683 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 835 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 764 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 788 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 805 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 418 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 748 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1187 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 636 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 763 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 787 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 704 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 698 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 765 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 730 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 857 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 326 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 318 Views

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