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I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM
Once the political elite and main holders of power were disposed of, keeping stability would have only occupied a portion of her time. In my opinion, this was done fairly earlier on, which is why as soon as Rand was thinking of alternatives, he would be told that they were impossible to implement.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 3078 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1811 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1626 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... Etzel - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1720 Views
You also ignored... randfandom - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1682 Views
and of course, the obvious theme Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1528 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1684 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS Etzel - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1602 Views
I think playing too many games just messes up with the integrety and solidness of the books ... amirebram - 26/01/2010 09:46:16 PM 3089 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1831 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1660 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Underwood - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1606 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1382 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? beetnemesis - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1436 Views
that's kind of my whole point darius_sedai - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1343 Views
Uh, not actually at all really Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1674 Views
*shudders* Yondaime - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1511 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1553 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1464 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1508 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1417 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1545 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1556 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? Rurouni_Kenshin - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1450 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1566 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1328 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1525 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1347 Views
Moiraine probably learned it while researching with Adealas and Vandene. *NM* Gher - 26/01/2010 04:57:09 PM 988 Views
Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1512 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1542 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1406 Views
Re: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1520 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1535 Views
Me, Too. The Name With No Man - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1516 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. Sidious - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1611 Views
I believe she's dead Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1444 Views
Re: I believe she's dead Sidious - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1500 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone Sareitha Sedai - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1362 Views
Besides, if it wasn't Graendal, it implies that she knew of Rand's plan, which is not feasible *NM* Shannow - 26/01/2010 02:01:41 PM 790 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1605 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! Underwood - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1374 Views
Stop passing judgments... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1560 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched Sidious - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1439 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1421 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1460 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1337 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1464 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1529 Views
Re: Not really Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1431 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1410 Views
*NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 749 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them beetnemesis - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1483 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1381 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place Sidious - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1541 Views
read the whole quote darius_sedai - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1168 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1322 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1355 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1495 Views
I don't see any flaws. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1586 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1311 Views
Re: But... Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1482 Views
That is what I thought ... Yondaime - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1379 Views
That still doesn't make sense. fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1575 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. Yondaime - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1590 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1427 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! Yondaime - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1383 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1294 Views
Dude, read what I said please... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1493 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1470 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself darius_sedai - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1315 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot Yondaime - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1395 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1246 Views
We don't know that, exactly Yondaime - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1305 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1384 Views
Seriously? Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1428 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1351 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 906 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 868 Views
Ok, in more detail: Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1494 Views
I'm tired of making this point... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1255 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... Syraelle - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1407 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1322 Views
But that means she's dead Skeeve the Great - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1411 Views
Re: But that means she's dead Heiko - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1502 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. Lord Haart - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1284 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. Syraelle - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1359 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1587 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1579 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1407 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1393 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Underwood - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1367 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1159 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1446 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1521 Views
That's not fair Yondaime - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1366 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1319 Views
Does anybody have a link to it? (nothing on Google). I'm intrigued. *NM* Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 08:27:13 AM 798 Views
It was on Wotmania. Someone copied all the theories, but I don't recall whom. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 08:31:00 AM 926 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1322 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1438 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1531 Views
Re: So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:05:21 AM 1517 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 869 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1483 Views
Not even comparable. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1239 Views
Re: Not even comparable. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1375 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1335 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1384 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1366 Views
And, just to double post: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1140 Views
Re: And, just to double post: RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1454 Views
Nice answer. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1426 Views
Re: Nice answer. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1383 Views
Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1517 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1378 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1421 Views
Re: Hilarious. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1278 Views
Re: Hilarious. Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1433 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1390 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. Etzel - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1424 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1504 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... Etzel - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1465 Views
I disagree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1790 Views
I will stop our discussion here; the posts are already pushed too far to the right of my display. *NM* Etzel - 29/01/2010 06:14:29 PM 716 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? Fanatic-Templar - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1366 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1387 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1435 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Skeeve the Great - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1387 Views
I don't see a flaw rAndy aL - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1474 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw Underwood - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1436 Views
Yup, I'm tired of seeing arguments that ignore the need to back up their own claims. Lord Haart - 27/01/2010 05:47:16 PM 1410 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. TheUltimateReality - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1424 Views
Spot on. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 865 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans DomA - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1405 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 838 Views
Compulsion is limited Sidious - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1367 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited Lord Haart - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1531 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited DomA - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1293 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. taura-tierno - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1402 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. Libby - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1479 Views
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