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Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim Send a noteboard - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM
while Egwene and Elayne would do so with ease.

Egwene has displayed her skill many times (splitting flows 14 ways for instance) ... Nynaeve is a Healer and is hyper specialized... it's been noted over and over that she is "clumsy" or "unskilled" throughout the series. In contrast everyone continually notes on Egwene's amazing level of skill and inherent ability to innovate with the OP.


Splitting flows 14 ways maybe a neat trick, but I would be far more impressed if I saw Egwene actually do something usefull. I think the only channeling thing she has done that is impressive is the whole cuendillar thing. And arguably traveling (though she did have help). When it came to the actual Seanchan fight, she did not demonstrate any superiour skill.

As for AS test, thats meaningless to me. Every AS in the series has passed that. Inluding the utterly incompetent ones. It is just a question of practise. As for the RJ quote, when did he say that? In TGS we see Nynaeve being taught the 100 weaves in the test and she learns and performs them with ease. The idea that Nynaeve in TGS could not pass the AS test is absurd.

On the whole, I would say that neither of the two could truly be considered among the "elite". But Nynaeve is certainly closer than Egwene, and if it actually came to a OP-duel Nynaeve would most certainly defeat Egwene. Whatever accomplisments Egwene has done, they are mostly on the political arena. And ofcourse she has the natural dreaming talent. When it comes to OP, I don't think she is all that special.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2917 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1656 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1599 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1442 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1549 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1394 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1615 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1522 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1511 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1459 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1460 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1547 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1442 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1425 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1384 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 970 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1663 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1350 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1457 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1600 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1306 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1560 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1520 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1478 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1706 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1563 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1529 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1454 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1517 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2065 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1451 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1470 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1369 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1489 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1264 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1177 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1399 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1495 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 880 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 916 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1467 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1334 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1473 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1473 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1360 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1436 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1350 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1401 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1354 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1278 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1459 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1316 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1411 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1451 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1341 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1405 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1438 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1428 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1393 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1334 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1410 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1343 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1370 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1300 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1365 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1394 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1505 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1393 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1346 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1467 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1435 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1395 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1465 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1368 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1426 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1298 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1265 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1534 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1537 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1366 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1343 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1335 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1383 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1378 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1362 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1372 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1449 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1379 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1315 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1347 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2709 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1459 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1397 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1348 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1224 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1385 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1456 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1580 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1512 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1442 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1500 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1424 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1387 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1262 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9923 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1361 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1560 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1248 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1456 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 874 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 831 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1451 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1426 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1486 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1423 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1404 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1370 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1384 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 854 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1382 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1428 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1393 Views

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