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Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim Send a noteboard - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM
while Egwene and Elayne would do so with ease.

Egwene has displayed her skill many times (splitting flows 14 ways for instance) ... Nynaeve is a Healer and is hyper specialized... it's been noted over and over that she is "clumsy" or "unskilled" throughout the series. In contrast everyone continually notes on Egwene's amazing level of skill and inherent ability to innovate with the OP.


Splitting flows 14 ways maybe a neat trick, but I would be far more impressed if I saw Egwene actually do something usefull. I think the only channeling thing she has done that is impressive is the whole cuendillar thing. And arguably traveling (though she did have help). When it came to the actual Seanchan fight, she did not demonstrate any superiour skill.

As for AS test, thats meaningless to me. Every AS in the series has passed that. Inluding the utterly incompetent ones. It is just a question of practise. As for the RJ quote, when did he say that? In TGS we see Nynaeve being taught the 100 weaves in the test and she learns and performs them with ease. The idea that Nynaeve in TGS could not pass the AS test is absurd.

On the whole, I would say that neither of the two could truly be considered among the "elite". But Nynaeve is certainly closer than Egwene, and if it actually came to a OP-duel Nynaeve would most certainly defeat Egwene. Whatever accomplisments Egwene has done, they are mostly on the political arena. And ofcourse she has the natural dreaming talent. When it comes to OP, I don't think she is all that special.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2763 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1527 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1442 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1307 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1374 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1258 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1453 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1366 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1380 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1300 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1295 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1392 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1259 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1267 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1232 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 896 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1520 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1211 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1297 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1429 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1156 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1421 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1382 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1314 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1554 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1419 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1364 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1295 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1354 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1904 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1325 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1330 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1234 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1338 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1140 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1031 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1257 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1342 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 793 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 845 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1316 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1200 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1309 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1308 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1212 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1226 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1217 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1231 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1199 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1145 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1314 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1148 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1281 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1284 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1208 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1261 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1293 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1307 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1200 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1184 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1251 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1210 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1207 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1136 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1207 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1225 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1366 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1263 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1172 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1304 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1297 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1211 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1294 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1202 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1309 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1145 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1136 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1388 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1380 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1176 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1205 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1186 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1239 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1223 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1233 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1237 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1281 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1226 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1156 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1180 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2471 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1297 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1277 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1202 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1049 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1213 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1249 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1410 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1336 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1278 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1335 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1272 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1240 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1135 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9767 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1244 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1410 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1115 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1300 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 784 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 752 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1299 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1278 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1327 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1283 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1273 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1245 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1243 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 777 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1253 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1298 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1268 Views

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