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Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM

the most Rand has ever been shown to use is 12 in TSR!


As has been said, it was during the KoD trolloc attack. It was LTT who was doing it really but they are essentially the same (especially now) so what LTT can do, Rand can do.

During the attack, Rand creates 6 Blossoms of Fire at once.
Three weaves go into making one Blossom (Earth, Air, Fire)
That means to create the 6 blossoms took 18 weaves woven simultaneously.

However it is also written that LTT makes 6 deathgates at the _same time_ as he makes the blossoms. Again it takes 3 weaves (Spirit, Fire, Earth). That means another 18.

That means that according to the text, the absolute minimum amount that LTT/Rand can do is 36 simultaneous weaves. And those are actual complex weaves used to attack rather than simple glowing balls. (Though to be fair to Egwene, she was under forkroot so I assume she could do something real with her 14 weaves in other situations)

The arrow of fire thing is in addition to this, and its a bit more confusing. During the above scene, LTT does not do AoF since those require raised hands. However he does complain about not being able to raise his hands, which suggests that he could potentially have done the Arrows in addition to all that. Arrows of Fire use 2 weaves (Fire, Earth). So that would add the minimum to 38.

Though I do think, based on the text, that to create the arrows really did require just 2 flows rather than a hundred. The weave for the arrows is called "intricate" so I think it was the complexity of the weave that caused a constant stream of "arrows", rather than having to create a unique web for each one.

So any AS (including Egwene) could create Arrows of Fire, if they simply had the necessary skill, and knew how. A shame that Egwene does not have either or the Seanchan attack could have ended very differently. Could Nynaeve have created AoF? In truth I doubt it, but I think she is still superiour to Egwene. Neither of them could be considered elite-channelers, but Nynaeve is closer. Egwene has simply never done anything that would even suggest she is especially skilled. Like I said before, she has mostly been doing politics. In a pure test of OP, Nynaeve would easily dominate. And not just in healing but in every area.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2951 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1685 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1629 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1481 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1597 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1432 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1658 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1553 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1544 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1496 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1495 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1592 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1486 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1469 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1426 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 985 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1696 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1391 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1485 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1639 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1340 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1599 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1557 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1512 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1751 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1605 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1574 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1494 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1550 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2114 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1488 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1501 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1416 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1525 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1306 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1212 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1427 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1537 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 898 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 928 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1498 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1366 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1518 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1516 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1390 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1481 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1386 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1438 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1398 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1318 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1494 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1356 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1439 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1491 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1383 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1447 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1474 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1467 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1432 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1366 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1446 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1384 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1404 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1332 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1408 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1387 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1425 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1544 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1432 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1376 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1511 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1473 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1437 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1503 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1426 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1460 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1340 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1308 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1569 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1565 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1409 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1400 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1367 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1418 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1413 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1403 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1407 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1486 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1416 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1350 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1380 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2754 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1503 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1428 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1382 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1259 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1422 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1492 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1626 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1555 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1478 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1539 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1469 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1423 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1298 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9965 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1397 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1594 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1287 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1493 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 886 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 841 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1490 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1472 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1527 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1457 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1443 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1415 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1414 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 866 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1417 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1470 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1428 Views

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