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Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM

the most Rand has ever been shown to use is 12 in TSR!


As has been said, it was during the KoD trolloc attack. It was LTT who was doing it really but they are essentially the same (especially now) so what LTT can do, Rand can do.

During the attack, Rand creates 6 Blossoms of Fire at once.
Three weaves go into making one Blossom (Earth, Air, Fire)
That means to create the 6 blossoms took 18 weaves woven simultaneously.

However it is also written that LTT makes 6 deathgates at the _same time_ as he makes the blossoms. Again it takes 3 weaves (Spirit, Fire, Earth). That means another 18.

That means that according to the text, the absolute minimum amount that LTT/Rand can do is 36 simultaneous weaves. And those are actual complex weaves used to attack rather than simple glowing balls. (Though to be fair to Egwene, she was under forkroot so I assume she could do something real with her 14 weaves in other situations)

The arrow of fire thing is in addition to this, and its a bit more confusing. During the above scene, LTT does not do AoF since those require raised hands. However he does complain about not being able to raise his hands, which suggests that he could potentially have done the Arrows in addition to all that. Arrows of Fire use 2 weaves (Fire, Earth). So that would add the minimum to 38.

Though I do think, based on the text, that to create the arrows really did require just 2 flows rather than a hundred. The weave for the arrows is called "intricate" so I think it was the complexity of the weave that caused a constant stream of "arrows", rather than having to create a unique web for each one.

So any AS (including Egwene) could create Arrows of Fire, if they simply had the necessary skill, and knew how. A shame that Egwene does not have either or the Seanchan attack could have ended very differently. Could Nynaeve have created AoF? In truth I doubt it, but I think she is still superiour to Egwene. Neither of them could be considered elite-channelers, but Nynaeve is closer. Egwene has simply never done anything that would even suggest she is especially skilled. Like I said before, she has mostly been doing politics. In a pure test of OP, Nynaeve would easily dominate. And not just in healing but in every area.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2614 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1353 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1244 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1136 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1199 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1113 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1206 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1192 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1219 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1103 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1124 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1218 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1075 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1093 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1058 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 788 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1337 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1032 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1153 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1257 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 952 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1240 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1208 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1160 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1359 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1255 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1181 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1120 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1175 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1729 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1156 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1153 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1058 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1142 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 961 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 858 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1085 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1162 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 721 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 773 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1132 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1053 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1128 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1131 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1033 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1051 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1050 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1047 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1036 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 985 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1132 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1021 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1106 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1112 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1026 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1089 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1121 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1116 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1013 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1013 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1058 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1032 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1044 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 994 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1051 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1013 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1047 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1192 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1082 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1012 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1137 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1125 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1027 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1135 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1036 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1121 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 974 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 973 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1214 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1213 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1004 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1041 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1007 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1039 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1037 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1042 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1068 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1125 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1052 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 983 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 993 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2289 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1095 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1100 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1032 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 879 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1028 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1076 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1226 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1159 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1093 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1154 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1102 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1073 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 974 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9606 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1079 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1243 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 946 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1119 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 706 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 681 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1128 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1108 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1160 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1104 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1103 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1067 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1061 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 705 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1079 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1134 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1090 Views

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